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  • ChaseN
    Mod Crazy
    • Aug 2008
    • 709

    #46
    Originally posted by der affe
    there is a misconception about av gas in cars you should know about . the octain rating scale is different and is for a much lower and constant RPM not the varying RPM of a car. there are also fuel boosters added that while they don't hurt the car also do not help it.

    most of the time the 100 octain av gas ends up lower octain then super unleaded from the pump. also not all av gas is unleaded.
    Actually NO Avgas (commercially available in the US) is unleaded. Avgas is rated via "MON" (motor octane number - the fuel is actually run in a test fixture at increasing RPM until detonation occurs) vs. AKI for pump gas (anti-knock index i.e. MON+RON/2).

    BTW, you're not quiiiite right about Avgas. Testing fuel via MON typically results in a lower number, while RON (research octane number - a basic study of the molecular makeup of a particular batch of gas) a higher. Lets just say there's a 10pt spread between the two (about normal). So 93 octane at the pump would be 88 MON and 98 RON. So, to compare apples to apples, auto gas is 88 MON vs. 100 MON in Avgas. Also, Avgas is tested at both lean and rich AFRs, and the octane rating is just that achieved at a severely lean AFR (i.e. in a proper mixture the octane is actually 130 - in fact the designation for the fuel used to be 100/130 to reflect this), vs. pump gas which is just run at one "ideal" AFR. As an aside, this is why fuel in Europe always seems to be a higher octane - they only rate it as RON.

    Even though it is advertised as 100LL (low lead) its still got a f*ck ton of lead in it by modern standards. It will PUNISH a cat/o2 sensor if run for any length of time. It's just low compared to 1970's standards when it was developed. One nice thing about it though, AvGas is 100% ethanol free, if you're worried about that kind of thing.

    BTW, I'm a pilot and hobbyist/part-time A&P (airframe and powerplant mechanic) apprentice (it typically takes 30 months of apprenticeship if you do it full time to become certified ) slowly preparing for my FAA oral exam :pimp:

    Originally posted by slammin.e28guy
    At the local airport the night before drag races all the hillbillys would load their cars up with av-gas and go to the track. Granted they were all pretty much Chevy 350 so it really didn't matter if you blew it up or not. I know some of them would run the extra on the street on non-race nights though.
    Heh, ever been down to the races in Forest, VA? Its an airport AND a dragstrip on Sundays. Good times flying there.

    BTW, hope those parts are working out well for ya.
    Last edited by ChaseN; 08-23-2010, 10:06 PM.
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    • Adrian_Visser
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      • Jun 2006
      • 2823

      #47
      Good luck on the Oral exam, it all depends on the examiner I hear. I'm an AME (Canadian equivalent of an A&P) lots of guys I work with get their A&P licenses so they can work in the states for my company. It kinda sucks when you've been a turbine guy for 15 years and your examiner tells you to time a mag on your practical.

      '89 Alpine S52 with goodies

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      • ChaseN
        Mod Crazy
        • Aug 2008
        • 709

        #48
        Originally posted by Adrian_Visser
        Good luck on the Oral exam, it all depends on the examiner I hear. I'm an AME (Canadian equivalent of an A&P) lots of guys I work with get their A&P licenses so they can work in the states for my company. It kinda sucks when you've been a turbine guy for 15 years and your examiner tells you to time a mag on your practical.
        Hey thanks man. I've heard the examiner I'm going up against is pretty fair, so I'm hoping for the best...we'll see. I'm mostly doing it to be able to work on my own and friend's airplanes (I don't own one yet, but looking to the future). I hear you on mag timing...my most embarrassing incident was timing a Lycoming O-320 and forgetting that the top center mark on the prop flange indexes with the TOP crankcase split (we mostly work on small Continentals - C-85's and the like, where it aligns with the BOTTOM crankcase split) and trying to figure out why the timing plug was "broken" and not indicating TDC...yeah, about that...I even had my IA fooled for a minute :D
        1991 318iS
        1992 911
        2006 330i 6-Spd ZSP people hauler

        Gone:
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        1990 325ix 5-Spd

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        • SUICIDE109
          Grease Monkey
          • Jun 2010
          • 326

          #49
          Originally posted by FLYNAVY
          If you get caught buying 100LL (or other aviation grade fuel) and using it in your car, there are hefty fines to pay. IIRC it is ok for offroad use in ATV's and bikes, but I could be mistaken there. Just something else to think about, though not sure how someone would actually get caught unless they were actually dumb enough to pump it straight into their car at the airport.
          Just go to a hobby shop, you can buy nitromethane all day long in variteys of percentages of nitro. 10%, 15%,20%, 33% and 50%. I wouldn't do 50% though, you might throw a rod or something worse. Btw in michigan we don't really have any emission laws.
          Originally posted by devon.818
          low key i actually paid attention to the drifting...then saw bouncing tits and went :o
          Originally posted by devon.818
          as for a 4hr boner...idk, start using it for things; cup holder, dial the phone, type with it, fix things, diagnose the e30, probe random shit...
          Originally posted by Mercury[BKM]
          ...because Machine Gun

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          • ChaseN
            Mod Crazy
            • Aug 2008
            • 709

            #50
            Originally posted by SUICIDE109
            Btw in michigan we don't really have any emission laws.
            You really read the thread, didn't you






            Originally posted by M42Power
            We have 100 octane fuel at the gas station here
            That would be 100 RON. Approximately equivalent to ~90 MON (the method by which avgas is tested) or 94~5 AKI (the method by which US pump gas is tested).

            Not even close to the same thing.
            Last edited by ChaseN; 08-24-2010, 06:09 PM.
            1991 318iS
            1992 911
            2006 330i 6-Spd ZSP people hauler

            Gone:
            1989 M3 S50B32, 6-Spd
            1990 325ix 5-Spd

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            • SUICIDE109
              Grease Monkey
              • Jun 2010
              • 326

              #51
              Originally posted by ChaseN
              You really read the thread, didn't you








              That would be 100 RON. Approximately equivalent to 90 MON (The method by which avgas is tested) or 94 AKI (the method by which US pump gas is tested).

              Not even close to the same thing.
              Yes, No one really gives a shit about what you run where I live. NitroMethane is used in Radio controlled airlplanes and helis and for a certain size plane or heli you do have to have insureance and be a member of the AMA in order to fly your Rc plane.Basicly we're all talking about fuel that will give you more power. Avation fuel known as JP8 diesel is used in a variaty of things and can be easily put in your car without the feds knocking on your door.
              Originally posted by devon.818
              low key i actually paid attention to the drifting...then saw bouncing tits and went :o
              Originally posted by devon.818
              as for a 4hr boner...idk, start using it for things; cup holder, dial the phone, type with it, fix things, diagnose the e30, probe random shit...
              Originally posted by Mercury[BKM]
              ...because Machine Gun

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              • ChaseN
                Mod Crazy
                • Aug 2008
                • 709

                #52
                Originally posted by SUICIDE109
                Yes, No one really gives a shit about what you run where I live. NitroMethane is used in Radio controlled airlplanes and helis and for a certain size plane or heli you do have to have insureance and be a member of the AMA in order to fly your Rc plane.Basicly we're all talking about fuel that will give you more power. Avation fuel known as JP8 diesel is used in a variaty of things and can be easily put in your car without the feds knocking on your door.
                LOL, fuel up with some JP8 and let me know just how your car runs. (BTW, just a hint - the only places you'll find JP8 are guarded by sometimes pissed off guys with automatic weapons)

                BTW, "not giving a shit" doesn't mean that its legal. I'm not saying don't do it (I don't really give a fuck if you do or not) but running 100LL (aka avgas, aka the original subject of this thread) in your street e30 is basically pointless (or any car for that matter, unless built to require such a fuel). And NO, higher octane fuel WON'T give you more power. It will give you the capability to make more power, but not without bumping either compression, timing, or boost if so equipped. And yes, it is still illegal regardless of local emissions laws.
                1991 318iS
                1992 911
                2006 330i 6-Spd ZSP people hauler

                Gone:
                1989 M3 S50B32, 6-Spd
                1990 325ix 5-Spd

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                • Adrian_Visser
                  R3VLimited
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 2823

                  #53
                  Originally posted by SUICIDE109
                  Yes, No one really gives a shit about what you run where I live. NitroMethane is used in Radio controlled airlplanes and helis and for a certain size plane or heli you do have to have insureance and be a member of the AMA in order to fly your Rc plane.Basicly we're all talking about fuel that will give you more power. Avation fuel known as JP8 diesel is used in a variaty of things and can be easily put in your car without the feds knocking on your door.
                  JP8 is identical to Jet A-1 which is barely lighter than diesel fuel maybe you should actually do some reserch before you start spouting bullshit.

                  Running nitro-methane in an engine not designed and tuned for it will melt your pistons and fuck your engine.

                  Get your head out of your ass!

                  '89 Alpine S52 with goodies

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                  • Adrian_Visser
                    R3VLimited
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 2823

                    #54
                    Originally posted by ChaseN
                    LOL, fuel up with some JP8 and let me know just how your car runs. (BTW, just a hint - the only places you'll find JP8 are guarded by sometimes pissed off guys with automatic weapons)

                    BTW, "not giving a shit" doesn't mean that its legal. I'm not saying don't do it (I don't really give a fuck if you do or not) but running 100LL (aka avgas, aka the original subject of this thread) in your street e30 is basically pointless (or any car for that matter, unless built to require such a fuel). And NO, higher octane fuel WON'T give you more power. It will give you the capability to make more power, but not without bumping either compression, timing, or boost if so equipped. And yes, it is still illegal regardless of local emissions laws.
                    Beat me to it.

                    '89 Alpine S52 with goodies

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                    • ForcedFirebird
                      R3V OG
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 8300

                      #55
                      Well xylene is available at Home Depot. Laws against putting that in your car? ;)
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