Malvo only got life in prison

[e9nine]

....hell, if I was ever homeless (which I will never be) I would rather be in jail with food clothes and shelter, rather than being free on the streets to live miserably.

Either your Hawaiian prisons are like old-people resorts or you don't know anyone who has been incarcerated before. The worst part is the psychological torment....Its not like what you see on TV in the movies...and no I haven't been locked up ever before :P

[Digitalwave]

"The kid involved"? How old was Malvo?

[latinobimmer]

19 or 20, I think? Sick_E30, you know, its people like you that make people hate Americans. You're so ignorant. Are you eating that biscuit yet? I'm in Europe now, but when I get back home I'll be sure to comment on this topic. These damn internet cafes are expensive. I completely agree with them not killing him. What suffering would he have to go through? I would much rather hear about Rufus giving him anal pleasures than them injecting some juices into him and killing him. Makes for a much better story. You're such a redneck.

[shahe]

texas also has a low crime rate becuase some cities allow everyone to carry a gun. there is one city where the crime rate is .01 thanks to this law :). i love texas!

There are a lot of guns in West Baltimore, but their crime rate is through the roof. Are you telling me that Houston has a low crime rate? I beg to differ. Crime rates in cities have to do with sub-cultures within them, not with hicks carrying guns. There has never been any evidence to support a negative correlation between guns and crime. :roll:

you know what the diffrence is? in W. Balt its not legal for everyone to carry a gun, people just have one. and huston isnt one of the cities where they allow it either.

there is a a huge correlation between guns and crime. If i have a gun, and the guy next to me has a gun, and the guy behind me and in front of me do to, i dare your dumbass to try to rob anyone of us :), your gonna think twice, trust me.

its the bloody liberal pukes that dont want there to be any type of correlation, so they can ban guns all together. when it comes down to it, there are too many red blooded americans how love their cold steel too much for any small group to beable to take away that right.

i dont know what went wrong in america, and when it happened, but our justice system is fucked to shit. how can you actually sit there and go, no we should get rid of a person who knowingly killed a group of people in more then one situation. where is the common sense! so basicly your saying i can go off and kill a few people, but i shouldnt be killed, i should be allowed to live, and by allowing me to live, i can appeal my sentence, and/or find a way around it, or get paroled... i love the thought process.

id much rather live in jail then be killed. this is coming from a guy who has over a dozen close friends who are serving or have served. ive herd every story and situation about jail, id much rather be in there then 6 feet under.

[MattE30]

I dont know about caning people for smoking some grass or anything, that seems a bit....cruel. But seriously, why are so many Americans such pussies? The dude who shot a bullet over an terrorsist head to get him to talk just got suspended without pay for 2 months and his wife has cancer. He got what he needed to hear to protect his men and his people. Why in the hell is the gov't going to go and punish him? We cant torture Sadam to get him to talk so we let the Jews do it. For God's sake. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. Malvo should be dead right now. And no fucking doubt if it happened in Texas they would probably kill that son of a bitch in the streets so anyone from a 2 to a 90 year old could watch him bleed to death. But no, he will not make it in the prison system. I guess that is the good thing about not using the death penalty that often. The true scum of the earth will kill the other scum that the government didn't have enough of balls to kill b/c of these bitchy organizations saying that people should be forgiven for taking another man's life. Give me a fucking break.

You're intellegant! :up:

[nando]

"The kid involved"? How old was Malvo?

he is 18 now, he was only 17 at the time.

Think about it guys.. he is very young, like most of you guys, and has barely lived any of his life (part of it was spent being homeless in my backyard). Now he gets to spend the rest of it contemplating the shitty things he's done.

[KenC]

texas also has a low crime rate becuase some cities allow everyone to carry a gun. there is one city where the crime rate is .01 thanks to this law :). i love texas!

There are a lot of guns in West Baltimore, but their crime rate is through the roof. Are you telling me that Houston has a low crime rate? I beg to differ. Crime rates in cities have to do with sub-cultures within them, not with hicks carrying guns. There has never been any evidence to support a negative correlation between guns and crime. :roll:

you know what the diffrence is? in W. Balt its not legal for everyone to carry a gun, people just have one. and huston isnt one of the cities where they allow it either.

there is a a huge correlation between guns and crime. If i have a gun, and the guy next to me has a gun, and the guy behind me and in front of me do to, i dare your dumbass to try to rob anyone of us :), your gonna think twice, trust me.

its the bloody liberal pukes that dont want there to be any type of correlation, so they can ban guns all together. when it comes down to it, there are too many red blooded americans how love their cold steel too much for any small group to beable to take away that right.

i dont know what went wrong in america, and when it happened, but our justice system is fucked to shit. how can you actually sit there and go, no we should get rid of a person who knowingly killed a group of people in more then one situation. where is the common sense! so basicly your saying i can go off and kill a few people, but i shouldnt be killed, i should be allowed to live, and by allowing me to live, i can appeal my sentence, and/or find a way around it, or get paroled... i love the thought process.

id much rather live in jail then be killed. this is coming from a guy who has over a dozen close friends who are serving or have served. ive herd every story and situation about jail, id much rather be in there then 6 feet under.

It's quite obvious that you're some ignorant highschool student who has never studied crime and/or the criminal justice system of this country or those of others. (And after reading your incoherant ramblings, you'll be lucky to graduate).
It doesn't make any difference regarding how one obtains a gun, only that they have one. And I'm sure much more people in North Philidelphia or West Baltimore have guns than the residents of the podunk town in Texas you're reffering to.
Also, you can't just conjure up some hypothetical situation and refer to it as statistical fact. If you're so adament about protecting second ammendment rights, wouldn't you then believe that the would-be criminal about to shoot you also has the right to carry a gun?

[theberglar]

19 or 20, I think? Sick_E30, you know, its people like you that make people hate Americans. You're so ignorant. Are you eating that biscuit yet? I'm in Europe now, but when I get back home I'll be sure to comment on this topic. These damn internet cafes are expensive. I completely agree with them not killing him. What suffering would he have to go through? I would much rather hear about Rufus giving him anal pleasures than them injecting some juices into him and killing him. Makes for a much better story. You're such a redneck.

Why are most of you against the death penalty? Ethical reasons? It's hard for me to believe you have any ethics when you'd rather hear of this murderer being anally raped or killed in jail than legally put to death. It seems like you'd rather he die or be cruelly punished, but you just don't want to dirty your hands. You say that spending life in prison would be worse, but ask the defendant which sentence he'd prefer.
There is a correlation between legal gun ownership and crime. Its not that guns are going to help the average person in self defense, but the higher chance that any given person is carrying a gun reduces crime. Criminals don't want to take the chance of the victim carrying a gun. Also, banning guns only takes them away from the people that own them legally. Criminals aren't going to put down their guns just because they're "illegal".

[KenC]

19 or 20, I think? Sick_E30, you know, its people like you that make people hate Americans. You're so ignorant. Are you eating that biscuit yet? I'm in Europe now, but when I get back home I'll be sure to comment on this topic. These damn internet cafes are expensive. I completely agree with them not killing him. What suffering would he have to go through? I would much rather hear about Rufus giving him anal pleasures than them injecting some juices into him and killing him. Makes for a much better story. You're such a redneck.

There is a correlation between legal gun ownership and crime. Its not that guns are going to help the average person in self defense, but the higher chance that any given person is carrying a gun reduces crime. Criminals don't want to take the chance of the victim carrying a gun. Also, banning guns only takes them away from the people that own them legally. Criminals aren't going to put down their guns just because they're "illegal".

1% of people who own guns and are a victim of crime use the gun while the crime is taking place. And of that 1% who do use their guns while a crime is taking place, 50% shoot a member of their family they thought was burglarizing them.

The reason that there is no reputible evidence that shows decreasing crime rates as legal gun ownership increases is because it is not feasible to study such a correlation. One would find it very difficult to find one town that is strikingly similar to another, in which one has a high percentage of gun ownership and one that has a low percentage.

[theberglar]

1% of people who own guns and are a victim of crime use the gun while the crime is taking place. And of that 1% who do use their guns while a crime is taking place, 50% shoot a member of their family they thought was burglarizing them.

The reason that there is no reputible evidence that shows decreasing crime rates as legal gun ownership increases is because it is not feasible to study such a correlation. One would find it very difficult to find one town that is strikingly similar to another, in which one has a high percentage of gun ownership and one that has a low percentage.

Like I said, I know that carrying a gun isn't going to help the average person, but that 1% occurrence deters a lot more than 1% of criminals. When other criminals hear about a guy being shot and killed while trying to mug someone, they think, "Hey, I don't want that to happen to me, maybe I shouldn't mug people here."

[e30evolution]

have any of you looked at your pay checks? where is says federal tax, and income tax..... that money goes to pay the guards that work in the prisons, it goes to pay for public defenders, it goes to pay for court hearings, it goes to pay judges, and the court system, it pays for the jails to be built, pays for the treatment the inmates recieve, it pays for their books, their gyms, their clothes, food, beds, soap, and everything..... mind you, your taxes also pay for roads to get fixed, and for public schools, the postal service, and all of the government jobs.....

if you think about it, without criminals we would not need to emplyee soo many EMT's, firefighters, policemen, and prison guards.... do you know how much it costs for one person to live a year in jail, i dont know, but i have to pay for it.... multiply that by 60-70 years, and that is how much money we are all paying for this murderer to live, without a job, without any bills, without any responsibilities..... sure jail sucks, but we have to pay for it.... in all reality i dont think that this person deserves to die, but i also dont think that i should be the one to support IThese people for the rest of thier lives.....

my solution is to find an island (sort of like austraia) and toss them out of a plane with a parachute, and make htem fend for themselves.... its almost like prison, but with more freedom.

on the other hand the world needs chaos, without chaos nothing would ever happen, and millions of people would be out of jobs.... the policemen wouldnt have jobs, firement would not have jobs, CIA agents would not have jobs, hell the governemnt wouldnt even have a use if everyone was perfect..... locking him up in jail for life is too sweet..... but i dont think that anyone has the right to administer the death penalty, even if the criminal thinks he does....

EDIT: oh and there wouldnt be really cool movies without criminals

[KenC]

1% of people who own guns and are a victim of crime use the gun while the crime is taking place. And of that 1% who do use their guns while a crime is taking place, 50% shoot a member of their family they thought was burglarizing them.

The reason that there is no reputible evidence that shows decreasing crime rates as legal gun ownership increases is because it is not feasible to study such a correlation. One would find it very difficult to find one town that is strikingly similar to another, in which one has a high percentage of gun ownership and one that has a low percentage.

Like I said, I know that carrying a gun isn't going to help the average person, but that 1% occurrence deters a lot more than 1% of criminals. When other criminals hear about a guy being shot and killed while trying to mug someone, they think, "Hey, I don't want that to happen to me, maybe I shouldn't mug people here."

LOL, where do you get your information? As if the 'criminals' all hang out together and converse about who not to mug.

[KenC]

have any of you looked at your pay checks? where is says federal tax, and income tax..... that money goes to pay the guards that work in the prisons, it goes to pay for public defenders, it goes to pay for court hearings, it goes to pay judges, and the court system, it pays for the jails to be built, pays for the treatment the inmates recieve, it pays for their books, their gyms, their clothes, food, beds, soap, and everything..... mind you, your taxes also pay for roads to get fixed, and for public schools, the postal service, and all of the government jobs.....

if you think about it, without criminals we would not need to emplyee soo many EMT's, firefighters, policemen, and prison guards.... do you know how much it costs for one person to live a year in jail, i dont know, but i have to pay for it.... multiply that by 60-70 years, and that is how much money we are all paying for this murderer to live, without a job, without any bills, without any responsibilities..... sure jail sucks, but we have to pay for it.... in all reality i dont think that this person deserves to die, but i also dont think that i should be the one to support IThese people for the rest of thier lives.....

my solution is to find an island (sort of like austraia) and toss them out of a plane with a parachute, and make htem fend for themselves.... its almost like prison, but with more freedom.

on the other hand the world needs chaos, without chaos nothing would ever happen, and millions of people would be out of jobs.... the policemen wouldnt have jobs, firement would not have jobs, CIA agents would not have jobs, hell the governemnt wouldnt even have a use if everyone was perfect..... locking him up in jail for life is too sweet..... but i dont think that anyone has the right to administer the death penalty, even if the criminal thinks he does....

EDIT: oh and there wouldnt be really cool movies without criminals

If I remember correctly, it is somewhere in the realm of $50,000 per year for one inmate at a federal prison. In the state of Ohio, there is a count of all third-graders who cannot read. Then the state etimates that they'll need that many prison beds by the time those children turn 18. Maybe there is some sort of correlation between crime and lack of education.

[theberglar]

LOL, where do you get your information? As if the 'criminals' all hang out together and converse about who not to mug.

"Guns will always serve as a deterrent to criminals. Professors James Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed over 1,800 prisoners across the nation in regards to their fears about encountering armed Victims .

- 34% of all "handgun predators" that were surveyed had encountered an armed victim that prevented them from committing their crime.
- 40% of those surveyed said that, at some point, they chose not to commit a certain crime for fear of an armed Victim
- 74% said that burglars avoid occupied dwellings because they fear getting shot
- 81% said that a "smart criminal" will make an attempt to find out if their victim is armed."

http://www.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

"Between 1977 and 1992, ten states established "right to carry" laws. (13) These laws state that anyone who meets certain criteria, may be issued a permit to carry a concealed weapon with them.

According to Lott's study, the 10 states that adopted these laws between 1977 and 1992 experienced.

-7% fewer aggravated assaults
-8% fewer murders
-5% fewer rapes
-0.5% more accidental deaths
-no change in suicide rates "

http://justfacts.com/gun_control.htm

[Erick]

that depends.. I don't believe in the death penalty. Government executions should have gone the way of the dark ages. What he did was fucked up, yes. But imagine how much it would suck to spend 60-70 years in a 6x6 room with a guy named bubba who wants to be your lover. He'll get what he deserves. :)

My thoughts exatcly.