My freshly finished swap is grinding. Please Help!

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  • McGyver
    R3V Elite
    • Jun 2009
    • 4457

    #1

    My freshly finished swap is grinding. Please Help!

    I just finished the front of my 5-lug swap. The rear were running nicely with no problems after a moderate fender roll.

    The fronts are grinding bad, and based on the perfect condition of the inside of the wheel it has to be the brakes. I'm running e36 m3 brakes that I just rebuilt. The inside of the wheels were also coated with greasy metal particles. I hadn't put any grease on the metal part that the pads slide on when i bolted it back up though.

    When driving you can hear/feel the grinding. It also drives like shit. It sorta feels like it dives when the wheel is turned. The tire doesnt appear to be rubbing the fender. The brakes were properly bled, but feel spongy. It did lock up the front wheels when I put the petal to the floor.

    Could my calipers be frozen on the rotor? How can i fix this tonight? I'm supposed to drive to DC tomorrow and I really want to take this car.
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    1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
    1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
    1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]
  • Kershaw
    R3V OG
    • Feb 2010
    • 11822

    #2
    brake dust shield?
    AWD > RWD

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    • McGyver
      R3V Elite
      • Jun 2009
      • 4457

      #3
      didnt use one.

      It is grinding BAD. Like stopping the car quick, not just rubbing like a backing plate would. I didnt lube the sliding pins, so im going to try that with some grease i have laying around.
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      1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
      1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
      1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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      • McGyver
        R3V Elite
        • Jun 2009
        • 4457

        #4
        no advice? i tried greasing the par where the pads slide and the rods that slide through the bushings. it didnt help at all.
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        1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
        1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
        1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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        • BigD
          E30 Enthusiast
          • Jul 2006
          • 1085

          #5
          When you install the calipers, do they go on easy or are you forcing the pads over the rotor? Like before putting the caliper on, are you able to push the caliper piston all the way into the caliper, and the brakes don't bind, you can spin each wheel by hand?

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          • McGyver
            R3V Elite
            • Jun 2009
            • 4457

            #6
            both wheels spin by hand, but the pads rub more than i would expect they should. i am basically just slipping the caliper and pads onto the rotor.
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            1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
            1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
            1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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            • YeOldeBuggy
              Wrencher
              • Oct 2010
              • 208

              #7
              Sounds like a fucked wheel bearing, judging by your description of the greasy metal particles, were the parts used?

              Thad.
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              • nrubenstein
                No R3VLimiter
                • Feb 2009
                • 3148

                #8
                Pull the calipers and see if the noise persists when you spin the wheel. It's pretty much got to be either brakes or bearings.
                2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD 4WD LBZ/Allison
                2002 BMW M3 Alpinweiß/Black
                1999 323i GTS2 Alpinweiß
                1995 M3 Dakargelb/Black
                - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
                1990 325is Brilliantrot/Tan
                1989 M3 Alpinweiß/Black

                Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo Black/Black
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                • BigD
                  E30 Enthusiast
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 1085

                  #9
                  Originally posted by McGyver
                  both wheels spin by hand, but the pads rub more than i would expect they should. i am basically just slipping the caliper and pads onto the rotor.
                  Any difference with the engine turned on? (maybe air in the abs causing problems?) Did you also change the booster/master? (maybe there's preload on the mc?)

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                  • evil_twin
                    R3VLimited
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 2965

                    #10
                    sounds like a wheel bearing.
                    I got a fender roller now! LMK if you need me to roll your fenders or want to rent the tool from me locally.

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                    • McGyver
                      R3V Elite
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 4457

                      #11
                      brand new wheel bearings. all i did was swap out the suspension components. I also went from rubber to SS brake lines. is it possible that air somewhere in the lines or behind the brake pistons is causing this?
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                      1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
                      1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
                      1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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                      • blueapplesoda
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 1904

                        #12
                        air in the brake system would cause the side that has air in it to barely work at all.

                        take pics?

                        All-Red/MHW style Professional Tinted Tail lights
                        PnP EMS, fuel injectors, wideband o2 systems

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                        • gearheadE30
                          No R3VLimiter
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 3734

                          #13
                          This doesn't sound so much like a brake problem as a bearing problem.... If the hubs were subject to impact when they were installed, they could already be bad.

                          Project M42 Turbo

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                          • mikeedler
                            R3V OG
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 6707

                            #14
                            are your wheels rubbing on the strut tube?

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                            • McGyver
                              R3V Elite
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 4457

                              #15
                              Well I did bleed the brakes in the exact wrong order (FL-FR-RL-RR) and I had the engine running when I did it. So when I get home i'll try it properly. The bearings were pressed on and both roll smoothly. It seems like the front brakes just wont release. Thanks to everyone who posted for trying to figure it out for me!

                              *mods, since its not urgent any more, could you move this to the 5-lug conversion section?
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                              1987 - 325i Convertible Delphin Auto [SOLD], 325i Convertible Delphin Manual [SOLD]
                              1989 - 325i Convertible Bronzit m30b35 swapped [SCRAPPED], 325i Sedan Alpine Auto[DD]
                              1991 - 325i Coupe Laguna Manual [Project], 535i Sedan Alpine [SCRAPPED]

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