Hartge H26 325 for sale

[reelizmpro]

I know. Regardless of how legit it is, it's still a very nice car with some rare parts. It's already at 9K with 5 days left!!! wow.

[downernsp]

I have this for more info. I am with Ronp on this one. I am starting to really not appreciate the way some people act on r3v on this particular thread. Lots of low ballers and people whom speak like some of us don't know shit! But since r3v is in my blood I will continue to post and look. A word of advise though respect what some people post and if you disagree speak with knowledge not out the rear end. Hope this helps some of you asking about this e30. As you can see Paul asked for me to post this since he can't. Thanks to all that look.

Just looked through 3" 3ring binder full of documentation about this car and Hartge.

PLEASE post this on the REV3 board....

I found some documentation:

Code #841 tranlates to "CONTROL for DELIVERY of Option packages - vehicle specific."
The car was sold new on 12/29/88 - 4 months after the build date.




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[TurboJake]

I'm not disagreeing with the seller, at all.
But this would have been easily avoided if there was a photo of the Hartge build plate or the vehicle title. The plate that all Hartge built cars recieved. From what I understand without that plate, it's not a genuine H26. Just an optioned out 325i.
I was also told the genuine H26, also doesn't have BMW as the make on the vehicle title. It has Hartge, and H26 as the vehicle model. Not BMW H26, Or Hartge 325i. If the title says BMW 325i, that's exactly what it is.

Without those 2 things and every single Hartge accessory in or on the vehicle.

I learned all of this directly from Hartge, when I had purchased a 325e with a ton of hartge stuff on it. It had the build sheet, but no plate. Had code #0841, but was still a 325e. It eventually led to me parting it out.

Not saying it isn't worth a pretty penny and I'm NOT saying it isn't worth the price that it's going for, but *IF my understanding is correct* it isn't an H26. They were purchased directly from BMW as 325i's, built in house, and sold under their name. Much like older RUF's.

There was an H23 sold on here not long ago. Is there any way to get a hold of the new owner to verify this stuff being true? Because I'm perfectly willing to change my understanding, and shoot myself in the foot again for shooting myself in the foot originally.

[Scott72]

I am the previous owner of the H23 and it didn't have a Hartge manufacturer plate because it was made in 83 before Hartge was a manufacturer. Also, it was a Performance Plus car so I don't think any of them had Hartge plates even though they were built at the Hartge Factory. In the US, Hartge would not be reconized by any DMV as a manufacturer. My guess is this car will not have a Hartge Plate (which would be passenger side engine compartment above the headlight) because of registration issues. Doesn't make it less of a Hartge car if all the documentation is there. No UK car will have a Hartge plate, they were all put together by Birds in the UK. But over there they are considered genunine due to Birds being an authorized dealer. If Ron P says it's well documented, I believe him. He knows his stuff and has dealt with Hartge cars. My good friend owns his old Dinan E21.

[imsotyerred]

I have this for more info. I am with Ronp on this one. I am starting to really not appreciate the way some people act on r3v on this particular thread. Lots of low ballers and people whom speak like some of us don't know shit! But since r3v is in my blood I will continue to post and look. A word of advise though respect what some people post and if you disagree speak with knowledge not out the rear end. Hope this helps some of you asking about this e30. As you can see Paul asked for me to post this since he can't. Thanks to all that look.

Just looked through 3" 3ring binder full of documentation about this car and Hartge.

You do realize that we're perfectly allowed to be skeptical and critical or what people advertise on the internet? there is nothing disrespectful about it whatsoever; it is merely us being discerning consumers. I don't, honestly, see why you're getting all butthurt about us noticing the things that don't seem right and questioning the origin of a rare car.

EDIT: if it were built at Hartge in Germany why would the invoice be in english?

cool that he has the documentation, still seems strange that a performance vehicle modded by hartge would have ever had an autotragic and the badges are definitely wrong so, despite your pictures of the docs I'm still skeptical...Shit, I could have made that invoice in MS word.

obviously it does have some real parts but an official H26 it does not appear to be

[M-technik-3]

Fact that it's not old and yellowed and in English. Really love the cool parts, my M tech I car I had in Germany had a bunch of Hartge stuff on it as well but that didn't make it a H26.

[downernsp]

You do realize that we're perfectly allowed to be skeptical and critical or what people advertise on the internet? there is nothing disrespectful about it whatsoever; it is merely us being discerning consumers. I don't, honestly, see why you're getting all butthurt about us noticing the things that don't seem right and questioning the origin of a rare car.

EDIT: if it were built at Hartge in Germany why would the invoice be in english?

cool that he has the documentation, still seems strange that a performance vehicle modded by hartge would have ever had an autotragic and the badges are definitely wrong so, despite your pictures of the docs I'm still skeptical...Shit, I could have made that invoice in MS word.

obviously it does have some real parts but an official H26 it does not appear to be

Point is don't speak just cause you can. If you can't prove what you're saying keep quite is all. Yes you do have wright I am aware. But being skeptical vs throwing thing out there cause you can is different. One can ask questions which in return answers are returned not bashing the car cause " you the expert " know for a fact. That is my issue where the seller starts to get negative feedback do to the no fact that is thrown out. And how do I know this, you may ask, cause of what was said on this thread one high bidder pulled out and Paul the seller advised me hence my post.


I personally feel there should be a charge for entering the "For Sale" thread that was you get rid of the bull that goes on, and I am willing to pay to.

[M-technik-3]

Is the seller a member here? If so he should have listed it here then. Due to it being an Ebay listing that a non releated person posted anything can be tossed around.

This is in General Discussion section, Not the For Sale section. If the original seller listed it then it's kind of off limits to smack.

[BrewCity11]

Those aren't 16" wheels, are they??

[imsotyerred]

Point is don't speak just cause you can. If you can't prove what you're saying keep quite is all. Yes you do have wright I am aware. But being skeptical vs throwing thing out there cause you can is different. One can ask questions which in return answers are returned not bashing the car cause " you the expert " know for a fact. That is my issue where the seller starts to get negative feedback do to the no fact that is thrown out. And how do I know this, you may ask, cause of what was said on this thread one high bidder pulled out and Paul the seller advised me hence my post.


I personally feel there should be a charge for entering the "For Sale" thread that was you get rid of the bull that goes on, and I am willing to pay to.

Oh i will keep quite...very quite

actually, I won't. being in college, I have learned to question anything and everything ESPECIALLY when all of the information is not right there up front.

[delatlanta1281]

I also questioned the placement of the rear badges, but was assured that they were like that from the factory. Having owned two "real" Hartge H5S in my life, I had never seen the badges done like that.

Ron, I to questioned the positioning of the badges, and the lack of branding on the headers, and the branding on the gauge cluster. I also question a late model car with no brand plate on the fron crossmember of the body.
I do not however want to step out of line and say that it's a fake, because my knowledge of these cars is only what "I" have researched. living as long as I have, I understand I don't actually know shit compared to most others, unless it has to do with Darts, the Braves, Skateboarding, or Home Depot. That said, whewre is the rest of the branding on this car?
Rich

Guys, what scares me about cars like this and the imfamous Alpina e30s rolling around the states is that back in the day, people were building cars like this and it was acceptable, but not accepted as a true car. Kind of like today, people are building all kinds of "replica" cars and getting top dollar for them. In 20 years, who's to say those "replica" cars won't stir up the same emotional arguments we are having here, right now. Replica cars are built for one purpose IMO, to bring high dollars and fool people who A) don't know what they are looking at, and B) don't care. This is why debates spring up on R3V. We aren't going to glad hand someone b/c they have a car for sale that they say is legit, but doesn't quite match up. That isn't R3V's style, and I, for one, am glad that it isn't.

[downernsp]

At imsotyerred now I fully understand. Its the age sorry my bad. I not only know the seller but seen the car in person. Really think about the comments some make you're looking at pics. I say go look at the car then give your thoughts. And about the badges people if I where to move the rear badge into lets say to the side. Would that make it now a " non hartage? " don't get me wrong if one has legit concern ask. I would but to go and speak without no real fact is mess.

At Mtenik no seller isn't a member here, but does a lot for the e28 community and he asked for me to help and post. I then advised him I would but there is always one person to start bashing or hatting. By then as you can see someone posted a link and now we are here.

As for the above guy thank you for asking and speaking from what you know vs stating " fake " I can provide an email, or number to anyone whom really want to meet Paul or ask question he is a Kool guy and would not risck his reputation posting a fake.


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[colombacho]

^speaka english much?

[downernsp]

^speaka english much?

No, porque preguntas pendejo?

[RonP]

@Rich,

I have owned a few Alpina cars and they always have their particular branding on the cluster and with the later cars, Alpina changed the vin. I have had two Hartge H5S, one back in 1983 ane the other I just sold this year. My 1983 didn't have any script on the cluster nor did the 1985 I just sold, but I had Hollywood speedo do it for me. Both cars had the stripe kit and the Hartge badges on the trunk. Performance Plus put stickers in some odd places. My 83 was not a PP car, but the 85 was and was owned by Scott Epstein of PP. My point is that Alpina was very delineate with their branding but Hartge was not quite as deliberate.

That said, the seller of the car in question has owned Alpina, Hardy & Beck, Motorort, and Hartge cars, and knows the difference between a fraud and the real McCoy.