The YAN-3 Fund.

[rcsoundn1]

clearly enough people who contributed to this "fund" have enough $$ that they can give it away with little or no care where it ends up.

anything at this point to rectify the situation is simply for entertainment purposes.

WHAT! While this was before my time here that statement is just ridiculous. People give all the time for various reasons, not because they are simply filthy rich. All I can say is that some may have given to give, and had no expectations regarding an outcome, but if i were to have donated, it would have been with the expectation that it was spent on a paint job, or at least went to the person it was meant for.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds. Doing this in pay pals eyes isn't fishy at all it's simply someone changing info. If he wouldn't have touched the account and someone would have came in without changing any info and took all the money then maybe PayPal would look at it differently. I've been hacked quite a few times it sucks and I know how companys go about getting hacked accounts back.

[rturbo 930]

I can't believe how many of you are just shrugging your shoulders and completely letting Josh off without any responsibility for this.

Personal responsibility should mean something to anyone with integrity. If you take on the responsibility of collecting and caring for money from everyone, you should damned well ensure it gets where it should.

Why did the money sit in the account long enough for it to be siphoned away to begin with? It should have immediately been transferred, not held for months without any due diligence.

I do understand things happen and forgiveness is important, but Josh needs to feel some pain for this huge mistake and especially for completely covering it up from everyone for so long.



Then own it. Send the guy a perfect glass moonroof or some other insanely rare part(s) out of your own pocket Josh. It doesn't have to be worth the full $2,000, but do something to show you're serious. Talk, at this point, isn't worth a damn.

Agreed, it is totally unacceptable that it has taken three years to come to light, and without any attempt whatsoever at redemption. IMO $2k needs to come out of his pocket to go to Yan. And those of you who think this is no big deal, and that shit happens, you have no problem with someone potentially taking $2000 worth of donations for themselves? I'm not saying that's what happened, but if that were the case, I would want that person permanently banned.

And to the person who said they've had their paypal account hacked "many times" I really don't know what to say. If it happens once, it's unfortunate, if it happens many times, you're a fool for not doing anything to prevent it happening again.

clearly enough people who contributed to this "fund" have enough $$ that they can give it away with little or no care where it ends up.

anything at this point to rectify the situation is simply for entertainment purposes.

Dude. No.

Its not this easy to get "hacked" and paypal sucks but they still investigate claims. This is fishy as fuck.

Indeed.

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds.

Quoting another person here earlier in the thread:

To break into a paypal account, you're going to need more than just the password. Paypal, even then required another factor to login to an account from a new computer.

[Mr. Tasty]

usually they require a pin number (IIRC) that gets sent to a phone. Fishy.

[phreshkid]

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds. Doing this in pay pals eyes isn't fishy at all it's simply someone changing info. If he wouldn't have touched the account and someone would have came in without changing any info and took all the money then maybe PayPal would look at it differently. I've been hacked quite a few times it sucks and I know how companys go about getting hacked accounts back.

Josh isn't an idiot, so I won't treat him like one.

To use a story that someone hacked his paypal account that involved the changing of his personal email address (which I'm willing to wager is his most important email address that is linked to multiple accounts online), would also imply that paypal sent him a courtesy and/or authorization email confirming that this action was in fact made by Josh, himself.

And then there is the issue of time that ak- pointed out. You don't collect money from a forum full of generous people and then simply sit on said money/forget about it for a period like 2 months. Sorry, but no.

Josh, you've been verbal and opinionated about every major thread or issue on r3vlimited for as long as I've known you. You love to post about you new parts or what wheels you are running next. For you to go dark in a thread like this, where money is on the line, left conveniently in you ownership and supervision is not ok. More than not ok, you failed to maintain any form of "transparency" on the issue. You tried to save your own neck with complete disregard for the rest of us.

How did you benefit from keeping this a secret? What good did you think would come of this?


Like a father disappointed in his son, I would consider removing your moderating powers and/or ban you for r3v. You're probably a cool guy in real life, but how you chose to deal with this here situation speaks volumes on your character.


Done.

[Jand3rson]

I agree, and I will be removing myself as an admin/moderator from R3V in light of this incident as soon as possible.

I am furthermore dedicated to somehow finding a way to replace the funds that were lost while under my responsibility.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

Never implied josh was an idiot cause he's not.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

I agree, and I will be removing myself as an admin/moderator from R3V in light of this incident as soon as possible.

I feel that's taking it to an extreme

[E30 Wagen]

Shortly after the last donations were received, the Paypal account that the funds were being held in was hacked. Over a couple of months, several amounts were transferred out of the account to different accounts, with people's names I'd never heard of. I wasn't aware it was even going on because the email account that I received the notifications at had been changed, even the account password had been changed, and I hadn't been checking the account regularly, I had no reason to.

I didn't have a very secure password on the account, and I'm guessing that someone in the community easily figured out and waited until the enthusiasm over the thread had died down, and flew in before I transferred the funds to Yan and began their work. In about the month or so prior, I had actually gotten an email at some point stating that someone had tried to log in to my account unsuccessfully. I had gotten these emails before and not really thought anything of it, as half the time, they're fake or phishing scams. I checked my account, and it was fine.

Are you serious? I change my passwords regularly and watch all my shit like a hawk; if something is out of the ordinary I waste no time checking it out. You're right to be embarrassed as fuck about this. I never trusted the whole donation thing would end well and I'm so glad I didn't give anything. This is fishy as hell, maybe b/c I still haven't forgotten the completely useless sideview mirror that you sold me 8 years ago. That was a long time ago and it was only $20, but your excuse for shipping out a worthless item was bs. I decided to just let that go, but now this...

[rturbo 930]

I feel that's taking it to an extreme

Not at all. That's getting off lightly. And if he can't come up with the funds within a certain time frame - say, I don't know, 3 months (which is generous), he should be banned.

And situations like this are exactly why I rarely donate to anything online.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, this is not Josh's first offense, although I don't remember what the other issue was. Not shipping things out for a long ass time, or something like that, I think it was.

[James Crivellone]

In light of this information I have removed Josh as an Admin/Super Mod from R3V.

Josh and I had some issues with Paypal at one point (in regards to sending me money), however I was 100% unaware that the funds raised for Yan were lost.

We had an issue where a few advertisers sent us money that was included in this Paypal issue, however I ran the banners anyway and gave them what they paid for... in this case however we had a large community outpouring to help a member, and over $2000 was lost in this process..

Josh, you know what you need to do, and I insist you make it right.

If anyone wishes to speak with me on the matter please email me at my personal gmail account james.crivellone (a) gmail.com

Thank you,

--James

[nando]

usually they require a pin number (IIRC) that gets sent to a phone. Fishy.

dual factor authentication is relatively new. I'm not sure it existed back then, and it would have been opt-in anyway.

I believe Josh when he says his account got hacked. he should have said something right away though, instead of waiting 3 years.

I would have been embarrassed if it were me, but I'm not sure what I would have done in response. I don't think Josh has $2k to throw around, but I hope he can make it right, even if it's not directly his fault.

Anyone who had stepped up to collect the donations for Yan could have been hacked just the same. the lesson here is definitely don't use your personal account for "business" efforts. Although I did collect some donations a few years back for a cancer ride, it was a pain in the ass, and most people got a tax receipt for it (if they donated enough). I'm not sure I'd do it again, this is one of the reasons..

[DrJosh]

2FA has been around for years.

The majority of responses here are appalling. The likely hood that the account was successfully "hacked" (to the point where paypal/authorities cannot identify any foul play, IP logs are a dead giveaway) is extremely low. Not to mention the fact that the "thieves" would also attempt to clean out any line of credit or bank accounted attached to his personal paypal account. Not to mention the copious amount of email alerts that would come from all this activity, or the fact that you need to use email confirmations to change information.

The story reeks of bullshit. Josh, lets not touch the fact that you used your personal account for something like this. Why would you sit on the money so long? Why would you ignore the emails from paypal? Why would you wait years to bring it up? In threeish years you really couldn't come up with (lets be realistic here) a mere 2k to replace the money you "lost"? What about all the parts you have purchased and sold on this forum alone?

I'll admit, we as a community could have done more to hold you responsible at the time to make sure the funds got to where they were intended to go. I have seen it too many times, the bag holder runs off with the cash and leaves the community high and dry. You almost got away with it, and in fact did for quiet a while, but I don't know why you didn't just leave. You had to have known this would come to light at some point. No one steals money from a community and sticks around, not sure why you did.

At the end of the day, lets just ban him and move on. Clearly Yan and the community will never see the money again, as made clear by Josh's lack of attempt and desire of returning or acquiring the money owed.

[KIRIEIW]

OP, where you planing on sharing this info before phreshkid bumped the thread?

[Julien]

I don't buy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxh7iZleWRk&t=0m25s