The YAN-3 Fund.

[Jand3rson]

I agree, and I will be removing myself as an admin/moderator from R3V in light of this incident as soon as possible.

I am furthermore dedicated to somehow finding a way to replace the funds that were lost while under my responsibility.

[phreshkid]

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds. Doing this in pay pals eyes isn't fishy at all it's simply someone changing info. If he wouldn't have touched the account and someone would have came in without changing any info and took all the money then maybe PayPal would look at it differently. I've been hacked quite a few times it sucks and I know how companys go about getting hacked accounts back.

Josh isn't an idiot, so I won't treat him like one.

To use a story that someone hacked his paypal account that involved the changing of his personal email address (which I'm willing to wager is his most important email address that is linked to multiple accounts online), would also imply that paypal sent him a courtesy and/or authorization email confirming that this action was in fact made by Josh, himself.

And then there is the issue of time that ak- pointed out. You don't collect money from a forum full of generous people and then simply sit on said money/forget about it for a period like 2 months. Sorry, but no.

Josh, you've been verbal and opinionated about every major thread or issue on r3vlimited for as long as I've known you. You love to post about you new parts or what wheels you are running next. For you to go dark in a thread like this, where money is on the line, left conveniently in you ownership and supervision is not ok. More than not ok, you failed to maintain any form of "transparency" on the issue. You tried to save your own neck with complete disregard for the rest of us.

How did you benefit from keeping this a secret? What good did you think would come of this?


Like a father disappointed in his son, I would consider removing your moderating powers and/or ban you for r3v. You're probably a cool guy in real life, but how you chose to deal with this here situation speaks volumes on your character.


Done.

[Mr. Tasty]

usually they require a pin number (IIRC) that gets sent to a phone. Fishy.

[rturbo 930]

I can't believe how many of you are just shrugging your shoulders and completely letting Josh off without any responsibility for this.

Personal responsibility should mean something to anyone with integrity. If you take on the responsibility of collecting and caring for money from everyone, you should damned well ensure it gets where it should.

Why did the money sit in the account long enough for it to be siphoned away to begin with? It should have immediately been transferred, not held for months without any due diligence.

I do understand things happen and forgiveness is important, but Josh needs to feel some pain for this huge mistake and especially for completely covering it up from everyone for so long.



Then own it. Send the guy a perfect glass moonroof or some other insanely rare part(s) out of your own pocket Josh. It doesn't have to be worth the full $2,000, but do something to show you're serious. Talk, at this point, isn't worth a damn.

Agreed, it is totally unacceptable that it has taken three years to come to light, and without any attempt whatsoever at redemption. IMO $2k needs to come out of his pocket to go to Yan. And those of you who think this is no big deal, and that shit happens, you have no problem with someone potentially taking $2000 worth of donations for themselves? I'm not saying that's what happened, but if that were the case, I would want that person permanently banned.

And to the person who said they've had their paypal account hacked "many times" I really don't know what to say. If it happens once, it's unfortunate, if it happens many times, you're a fool for not doing anything to prevent it happening again.

clearly enough people who contributed to this "fund" have enough $$ that they can give it away with little or no care where it ends up.

anything at this point to rectify the situation is simply for entertainment purposes.

Dude. No.

Its not this easy to get "hacked" and paypal sucks but they still investigate claims. This is fishy as fuck.

Indeed.

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds.

Quoting another person here earlier in the thread:

To break into a paypal account, you're going to need more than just the password. Paypal, even then required another factor to login to an account from a new computer.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

It probably sat in the account for so long to get more donations. Josh said that someone was able to log in change the email and password then start taking funds. Doing this in pay pals eyes isn't fishy at all it's simply someone changing info. If he wouldn't have touched the account and someone would have came in without changing any info and took all the money then maybe PayPal would look at it differently. I've been hacked quite a few times it sucks and I know how companys go about getting hacked accounts back.

[rcsoundn1]

clearly enough people who contributed to this "fund" have enough $$ that they can give it away with little or no care where it ends up.

anything at this point to rectify the situation is simply for entertainment purposes.

WHAT! While this was before my time here that statement is just ridiculous. People give all the time for various reasons, not because they are simply filthy rich. All I can say is that some may have given to give, and had no expectations regarding an outcome, but if i were to have donated, it would have been with the expectation that it was spent on a paint job, or at least went to the person it was meant for.

[Wschnitz]

Its not this easy to get "hacked" and paypal sucks but they still investigate claims. This is fishy as fuck.

[Stanley Rockafella]

clearly enough people who contributed to this "fund" have enough $$ that they can give it away with little or no care where it ends up.

anything at this point to rectify the situation is simply for entertainment purposes.

[Shock(/\)ave]

I can't believe how many of you are just shrugging your shoulders and completely letting Josh off without any responsibility for this.

Personal responsibility should mean something to anyone with integrity. If you take on the responsibility of collecting and caring for money from everyone, you should damned well ensure it gets where it should.

Why did the money sit in the account long enough for it to be siphoned away to begin with? It should have immediately been transferred, not held for months without any due diligence.

I do understand things happen and forgiveness is important, but Josh needs to feel some pain for this huge mistake and especially for completely covering it up from everyone for so long.

I don't expect anything, I know how it looks, which is one of the major reasons I didn't ever bring it up again, which was a mistake.

All I can do is own it.

Then own it. Send the guy a perfect glass moonroof or some other insanely rare part(s) out of your own pocket Josh. It doesn't have to be worth the full $2,000, but do something to show you're serious. Talk, at this point, isn't worth a damn.

[2mAn]

that sucks. I think waiting so long to reveal what happened with the funds really makes it suspicious, but not to the point of lynching.

The R3V detectives may have been able to do something about it when it was fresh but at this point its just an embarrassing moment for Josh.

Now we know the end of the story at least. Not all stories have happy endings. Shit happens, life goes on and Yan's car still has a shitty paint job.

[EN318isPDX]

Never trust a stranger on the internet. More so if you are on r3v.

[bmwcarnute30]

Shit happens guys. It's like all you guys got pitch forks and axes and are on your way to lynch janderson. I've been hacked many times I know how that shit goes.

this

[ThatOneEuroE30]

Shit happens guys. It's like all you guys got pitch forks and axes and are on your way to lynch janderson. I've been hacked many times I know how that shit goes.

[e30austin]

Wow.

[DEV0 E30]

Wow.

If I recall correctly I messaged you and/or Matt or created a thread right after I read Yan's thread stating what had happened. I don't recall, it was a LONG time ago.

It was by chance that I read his thread moments after he posted it. I felt sick to my stomach and acted immediately - I brought it to attention to the people that run the site to make sure something was done, starting with banning Vlad. I was disgusted then, and this is how the story ends? Very upsetting. If Yan had decided to use the money for his honeymoon, that was completely up to him, it was for him. The way this has ended up, it's less than unlucky, it's bad.

Paypal is smart and dangerous because of how easily it will pull funds from any particular way that is accessed in the account to pay for something. It makes embezzlement easy, but that doesn't make it any less serious or wrong. Using a personal account for something like this is pretty much the worst idea ever, not going to lie. It would have been very easy to not know what was what if the account was used for anything BUT a receiving only account for the purpose it was meant for. If you had one card/account linked to the account or made one payment with the account the ethics of the situation would not be in your favor.

To break into a paypal account, you're going to need more than just the password. Paypal, even then required another factor to login to an account from a new computer.

We live in the information age, I'm consistently amazed at people when they think they can use weak methods to secure anything they care about. Or no methods at all. Do the minimum to protect things, the bare minimum.

There's $2,000 of donated money that the community put trust in you for. How do 60+ days go by where you don't check up on it? If this was a job, you'd be terminated instantly whatever the excuse.
And, three years?! The story would have much less more doubt if you brought this to the attention of the community during time it happened. It's $2k!

What was the account's email changed to before you closed it? Wouldn't you need email confirmation to do that(something you didn't have anymore because it was changed)?
I'm confused.

I'll echo everything that Abz has said.

I don't expect anything, I know how it looks, which is one of the major reasons I didn't ever bring it up again, which was a mistake.

All I can do is own it.

If this was simply a horrendous mistake, waiting as said simply means we're looking at the situation through an aged and dusty looking glass. AKA it looks like shit. I have a few principles in life, one is if something happens that affects someone else, you own up to it as soon as possible. Waiting does not help. Owning something does not mean waiting years to trickle truth it.

A good thing about a terrible situation turned into a terrible thing itself. I guess that's how it ends.