1989 325ic vs 2012 mazda miata

[stamar]

Im not going to spend too much time flaming more than one person.

lol

Some people are just not up to intelligent discussion. They make attempts and can only get close to flaming. Im not refering to the last response but the one I bothered to flame back before it.
Establish facts, discuss based on what is established as a fact. You can spot college grads even in a simple subject like cars, people who havent had an intelligent conversation in their life just immediately get angry about it....


You have valid points.
Definitely a 128 is a lot more expensive than a miata. And dont be totally ridiculous, every single person who looked at a miata looked at a 128 convertible and vice versa. Every car mag threw them together, consumer reports listed them in the convertibles section together.

But you know what a miata is way more expensive than a e30 325

and thats my point.

A brand new miata is better in some ways, its worse in other ways.

But it sure is a lot more expensive either way. Id want it to BLOW IT AWAY. for 23k poorly attired even.

hey heres a good point I thought of to share with the intelligent people who like to talk about cars:


What if you could magically change the body of the e30 so that it weighed the same, yet it looked like a longer miata.


And you took it to mazda dealers selling it as the MIATA PLUS!

15 inches longer, with back seats( somehow its MAGICALLY only 15 inches longer yet it has usable back seats)

10 more hp, and 30 more lb ft of torque! Yet the gas mileage is similar!!!!! and it only weighs 350 more lbs!!!!!

Would it sell? maybe not outsell, but I think it would sell. Theres enough people that back seats are everything. Id sell it for.... 25k starting. somewhere between the miata and the 128. booya.
The truth is, an e30 would not take the world by storm but it might very well sell today as new.

Actually, I found a way better doppleganger to a modern miata, its the 2nd gen rx7. weight hp and interior are very similar.

[jasonbk]

Honestly I do think the e30 is one of the best bang for the buck in terms of practicality, look, fun factor, running cost and etc but still..
there's difference between me being happy to own e30 and saying my e30 is better than some brand new car.

BMW can't just make brand spanking new e30 for cheaper(or even close to) than Miata because of chassis rigidity, interior space, safety, comfort electronics etc.
I think they can't even reproduce 80's greenhouse style windows with thin pillars and low beltline for their design because of safety issue.

You can't compare 80s car that's been depreciated to the bottom with the brand new car. Imagine buying a clean e46 330 zhp for $12k,
and what kind of brand new car that's 'better' than e46 zhp can you possibly get with $12k? Or even $20K?

You can't beat the used car's driving experience per dollar, but it doesn't mean that the new car is worse than the old one.

[stamar]

very good point. cannot compare depreciated to retail values.
new car prices only compare to new cars.

Trying to compare 23 year old tech to 2012 tech. I feel ignore the price the vehicle itself should be a lot better.

the miata called the nb was way better using an older tech non vvti engine, and a much smaller body. This body is huge. In fact pull out the stats of a boxster and its thinner. This new miata is very wide. Its wider than what used to be a full size sedan width.

anyhow I was parked next to one so I looked up what was different about it. suprisingly not too much.

[trackjunkie21]

Hey let me compare Joseph Kony to Colonel Butt Naked. They're both people!

[Kershaw]

Hey let me compare Joseph Kony to Colonel Butt Naked. They're both people!

please tell me more! and which one drives a miata?

[Nsquared97]

Im not going to spend too much time flaming more than one person.

lol

Some people are just not up to intelligent discussion. They make attempts and can only get close to flaming. Not the last person the one I bothered to flame back.
Establish facts, discuss based on what is established as a fact. You can spot college grads even in a simple subject like cars, people who havent had an intelligent conversation in their life just immediately get angry about it.

So your trying to bring in education/intelligence to this? Generally speaking people who just get angry as opposed to discussing with facts comes down to a matter of maturity, not education. And if your trying to imply you are of higher education, your English sucks.

Definitely a 128 is a lot more expensive than a miata. And dont be totally ridiculous, every single person who looked at a miata looked at a 128 convertible and vice versa. Every car mag threw them together, consumer reports listed them in the convertibles section together.

I seriously hope you are kidding on this. Find me a good car mag that actually did this comparo. And Consumer Reports, listed them in their convertible section together? OMG you can fold the top down on both of these cars, of course I would cross shop these two!

But you know what a miata is way more expensive than a e30 325

and thats my point.

A brand new miata is better in some ways, its worse in other ways.

But it sure is a lot more expensive either way. Id want it to BLOW IT AWAY. for 23k poorly attired even.

How about you compare the E30 to the NA Miata? They are both actually from the same era, and there isn't such a price difference. And since you keep bringing up how much the Miata has grown in the last 20 years, look at where the 3 series has gone itself:
(Specs for convertible)
Weight: 2850>3946lbs
Length:170.2>180.6in
Width:64.8>70.2in
Height:53.9>54.5in

hey heres a good point I thought of to share with the intelligent people who like to talk about cars:


What if you could magically change the body of the e30 so that it weighed the same, yet it looked like a longer miata.


And you took it to mazda dealers selling it as the MIATA PLUS!

15 inches longer, with back seats( somehow its MAGICALLY only 15 inches longer yet it has usable back seats)

10 more hp, and 30 more lb ft of torque! Yet the gas mileage is similar!!!!! and it only weighs 350 more lbs!!!!!

Would it sell? maybe not outsell, but I think it would sell. Theres enough people that back seats are everything. Id sell it for.... 25k starting. somewhere between the miata and the 128. booya.
The truth is, an e30 would not take the world by storm but it might very well sell today as new.

So there's a couple serious flaws to your 'magical' plan. First off, you would want to sell it for about 25k huh? You do realize that E30 'verts sold for more than that 25 years ago, not even accounting for inflation? Not to mention to even attempt to sell a modern E30 you would have to add so much safety equipment the car would easily gain a couple hundred pounds, and most likely need to be made larger to accomodate that.

Trying to compare 23 year old tech to 2012 tech. I feel ignore the price the vehicle itself should be a lot better.

the miata called the nb was way better using an older tech non vvti engine, and a much smaller body. This body is huge. In fact pull out the stats of a boxster and its thinner. This new miata is very wide. Its wider than what used to be a full size sedan width.

Ok so I can kinda understand comparing the tech between the 2 cars. For what it was, the E30 still has a lot of modern tech features people never would have thought were available in the late 80's.

But, first off you say the NB was way better using the non vvti engine. How??? The new engine gained 30 hp while only going up .2L in displacement. The NC had to grow to make room for the ever increasing safety mandates by the government, that's why it is bigger. Also to accommodate larger drivers, I have heard of plenty of people who would like to drive/own a Miata, but they simply couldn't fit.

But what I do find funny is this, you seem to be incredibly hung up on width, but want to ignore other things like price. Now seriously, how often is width something people are seriously concerned about when choosing a car like his? About the only legitimate reason i could see someone concerned with this is for an autoX car, where an extra inch in width does mean quite a bit when dodging cones.

[Keith M]

Just stop replying to stammer's rambling posts and save yourself a headache.

[Ryann]

I get 28 mpg highway with my 325

No you don't.

just stop replying to stammer's rambling posts and save yourself a headache.

+1.

[stamar]

car and driver.

Best handling cars under 40k.

ya they are all part of the convertible sporty category in consumer reports. the 128 and the boxster and the miata. I think the volkswagon eos also. Very short category.

nonono I just wanted to compare those two models. See if anyone has something intelligent to add. I dont want to compare any other cars actually Im dealing with other peoples twisted logic lol. I took on one research problem only and wanted to share it with you all, the miata nc and the e30 325 are pretty damn similar, here are there stats. Thats enough I dont care about other comparisons for now.

There are definitely some figures or things to consider. Like say, the 325ic cost 40k in todays dollars. more than the 128 actually. Thats a good point.

So thats a good point when thinking about the miata which is part of a different budget when sold as new. Theres lots of differences between the two things. Thats whats so cool is that they end up with almost the same thing seperated by 23 years. I gave their weight gas mileage and straight line speed and dimensions to compare but I didnt really compare their price.

I think though that 23 years is a long time you would think modern cars would have overtaken it. I do expect cheap cars to go faster than expensive cars from 20 years ago. maybe not 10 years ago... comparing the price in relative dollars to the cars available in different eras is too complicated to accomplish anything imo. More detail than Im interested in.

Well the main difference between the nb and this new one is the size of the body. I mean obviously and the weight. But anyhow, thats too many different models to compare lol. I believe theres a large difference in gas mileage that I dont understand as well.

Why compare the two miatas though? go ask miata owners. I once drove a NA daily its a cool car... but thats too many cars to compare at once. You want to find two that are closer I can too. But while were here on the e30 forum, lets only compare the e30 to another car ok? Makes sense right?
I can say, the earlier miatas are cooler because they are smaller, the newest one is almost an e30 in size.....
.i havent driven one though Im just using the statistics available to imagine it.

Theres a hundred other cars to compare if you want. If you want to compare cars in the same era go ahead. as a matter of fact Ill chime in if you want to compare e30s and miata NAs because I drove them a lot. Thats actually way more relavent a discussion because we both have/may own both those models as they are cheap. Go right ahead and compare the two with some good statistics in some other thread.
Somewhere else...

[stamar]

No you don't.



+1.

absolutely I have 28 mpg recorded over 1000 miles. What a retarded thing to contradict. Drove up to portland, and back to arcata.

That is definitely no record lol although it is my personal record.

Lets see now I own my car, I pay for my gas. I bet I know my gas mileage more than you do. Would you like to bet anything on that iq master? Do you have a paypal account?

[Ryann]

You MIGHT get 26 using ethanol free fuel while averaging 55 mph.

[TurboJake]

No you don't.

Cough cough


I got that frequently. Until I started upgrading a bit more seriously...
Then it went down.... I'm lucky if I hit 26 now unless it's 90+ degrees outside.

[stamar]

You MIGHT get 26 using ethanol free fuel while averaging 55 mph.

Ok. Would you like to bet 100$?

[CrusherCurtis]

I'm definitely getting like 28. An nc definitely wouldn't destroy an e30, especially not a coupe.

[stamar]

You know what? I have AC delete. I should point that out with mpg. I think thats 1 mpg right there.

I strongly feel when I get new injectors im going to get over 30 mpg on my next trip to portland. I dont guarantee it though.

And btw, I drove 65 the whole way not 55. right up the 5 you live on.

I have a picture just like turbojakes. I mean I feel ya dude arguing with someone else about the gas mileage their car gets. Thats something you do when you sniff a lot of glue.

No kidding it wouldnt destroy an e30. It has a weaker engine and weighs barely less.... the two things are similar.

the 0-60 times, from mazda and bmw are listed in the first post 6.9 and 7.6