167 us spec. 185 Euro spec.
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"I'd probably take the E30 M3 in this case just because I love that little car, and how tanky that inline 6 is." - thecj
85 323i M TECH 1 S52 - ALPINEWEISS/SCHWARZE
88 M3 - LACHSSILBER/SCHWARZE
89 M3 - ALPINEWEISS II/M TECH CLOTH-ALCANTARA
91 M TECHNIC CABRIO TURBO - MACAOBLAU/M TECH CLOTH-LEATHER
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Interesting. well look at this, a quick google search and I found this. wooowwwww
Right because every DTM homologation car was 2.3-16v right? Or was the Audi a V8 with a 3.6 in it? Yes, these are enthusiast cars, and so is a E30 M3? There just is not as much demand for the Mercedes as there is for the BMW. So Google economics and see how that affects the price of the cars.
As I analyzed the cars you linked me, here is some feed back, because none of the cars you linked are CLEAN. I sold mine for 9,500 which was the one listed for 10,900 and it was not even CLEAN. 9,500 will get you the best BMW 325, so there is no comparison there.
190,000m with auto transmission.... Not desirable and VERY high mileage
2 Cars with True mileage unknown, both broke at 160,000+
Car was just resprayed non original color and asking price is 5k... A good paint job is 5k+, isn't that ironic?
Project car, completely trashed, forget it.
These cars are more valuable stock then modded, so forget that heavily modded one.
All you BMW fans are so we about how much faster E30 are than 190,
get this....So basically the MBZ has a faster 0-60 time than the E30 M3, yet the Mercedes weighs more and has less power?Comment
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If you look at 30 2.3 -16's for sale and look at 30 M3's for sale, I'd be willing to bet that the average price of the M3 will be more than double. Finally...the MBZ you are comparing is the 2.5 version vs the 2.3 M3 and it's only a tenth of a second faster, lol. Anyway, magazine figures are often unreliable. I wouldn't go by those figures alone.
Anyway, I've had enough arguing over which is better. Obviously you think the 190 2.3_16 is superior even though I've posted plenty of info that proves otherwise. Just posting what I've seen over the years. Other than that, I really don't know what else to say but enjoy your car.Last edited by reelizmpro; 04-17-2012, 09:46 PM."I'd probably take the E30 M3 in this case just because I love that little car, and how tanky that inline 6 is." - thecj
85 323i M TECH 1 S52 - ALPINEWEISS/SCHWARZE
88 M3 - LACHSSILBER/SCHWARZE
89 M3 - ALPINEWEISS II/M TECH CLOTH-ALCANTARA
91 M TECHNIC CABRIO TURBO - MACAOBLAU/M TECH CLOTH-LEATHER
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And weighs 100 lbs more with a less powerful engine than the M3. Crazy how the MBZ is faster right?
What E30 compares the the Evo 1 and 2, REELIZMPRO?
And as I said, Supply and Demand.Comment
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Sure...0-60. A tenth of a sec. Big deal. 2.5 vs 2.3 that's fair. We r talking us spec 2.3-16 vs us m3, not Euro/evo models. To answer ur question...m3 evo 2 220hp 2.3 and m3 sport evolution 238hp 2.5"I'd probably take the E30 M3 in this case just because I love that little car, and how tanky that inline 6 is." - thecj
85 323i M TECH 1 S52 - ALPINEWEISS/SCHWARZE
88 M3 - LACHSSILBER/SCHWARZE
89 M3 - ALPINEWEISS II/M TECH CLOTH-ALCANTARA
91 M TECHNIC CABRIO TURBO - MACAOBLAU/M TECH CLOTH-LEATHER
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reelizmpro is an OG and when he speaks, id listen.....
just a bit of advice..1989 325i SETA stroker [delphin] R3V'd 8/31/2011
1989 325ix [zinnoberrot] $OLD
1970 2002 [Nevada]
Originally posted by Herr Faust SchinkenOriginally posted by ak-Comment
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weeks later,
several retards were arguing about 0-60 times.
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The 2.3 Mercedes has poor performance compared to the M3 is is a closer match to a 325iS.
But basically the Mercedes is a car that is best reserved for women and African diplomats. It is too bad that Mercedes does not have the title of winningest touring car of all time. Who cares about second place.Comment
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Way to ruin a discussion snitch.
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To be fair, the vast majority of 16v 190E's were 2.5 liter, whereas almost all M3's were 2.3 liter. For all intents and purposes, the Benz can be considered a 2.5 liter car and the BMW is a 2.3 liter car (except for the Evo versions).
If you spent some time driving a 16v you'd stop trying to "prove" that the M3 is "better." It's like saying a Lancer Evo is better than a WRX STi. These cars are more alike than they are different. But each has it's relative strengths and weaknesses.
Just for the sake of discussion, here are some areas in which the 16v has a distinct advantage over the M3:
- The W201 has a far stiffer chassis than the E30 (and even the E36). You can always feel an E30 or E36 M3 flexing on the track, but that doesn't happen with the 190E.
- The suspension is more sophisticated (especially at the rear) and you don't need massive amounts of negative camber to make it work.
- The aerodynamics are vastly better. It compares favorably to a modern car.
- The engine is more robust. There are plenty of 16v's that have gone 200k without a rebuild.
- The head flows better and can rev to 9k reliably without any upgrades. Just swap in a trick cam and go.
- When the 190E lets go, it transitions smoothly into oversteer and is easy to drift without drama. The E30 tends to snap into oversteer, which makes it tricker to balance on the limit.
The only real weakness is that the street version is saddled with CIS/K-Jet and single flapper throttle. Convert to ITB's + EFI and you'll easily match the output of an S14.
In terms of driving dynamics, the 16v is closer to an E36 M3: better high-speed stability and acceleration than an E30. The E30 is easier to toss around in low-speed transitions, but the 190E has more grip in high-speed corners. The 190E also does a better job holding its line on bumpy tracks.
But these are small differences. Like I said, the two cars are more alike than different. It's stupid to try to argue that one is clearly better than the other. In street form, the 16v is definitely feels more plush than the M3, but if you set each car up the same, they'll be neck-and-neck.sigpic
1987 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16: Vintage Racer
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Snitch...
Take your premadona melodrama crap to a corner and cry on your own instead of crapping on people's threads. "everyone is bagging on MBZ," "190E noobblah noobblah nooobblah recognition it deserve!"
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Emre, thx for your post. great info.Much wow
I hate 4 doors
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Emre hit the nail on the head.
I replaced my 91 318i 16v with a 92 190e 2.6 manual. They are very similar size wise but thats where the similarities end. The 190e feels like a much more substation car. Much quieter more comfortable interior, stiffer chassis, deals with bumps much better (thank you multi link) has cruise control, less wind noise etc.
The down sides to the 190 are the lack of rack and pinion steering, KEjet mechanical fuel injection (yay for Megasquirt) and poorly angled steering wheel (its too low, too big). I eliminated the power steering on mine but all that really acomplies was highlight the 190s short comings in that respect. If i didn't do so much highway driving I probably would have kept the E30. When you're doing 800 miles in a day, the 190 is a much nicer place to be.
At this point I'm looking for a S124 wagon to swap my 5 speed into, preferably a 24v.
What snitch forgets in all his mindless rants is that the 2.5 16v 190e was never sold in america so its a moot point.Comment
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