HS Web Developer, Looking for some feedback!

[Wschnitz]

your code may work flawlessly, but it's pretty obvious you're not a designer whatsoever.

it looks awful.

This is less then 3 months into a high school class... Really would like to see you come up with a website in only a one hour class each day.

At last help me in what to add in stead of being a Dick about it.

Aka "add flash" vs "this fucking sucks."

I'm asking for feed back to further my skills so I can have a nice page.

You also need to remember this is one persons project. Companies like Amazon hire 2000+ workers for this kinda thing.

[nando]

that's a typical Kershaw post. I wouldn't sweat it.

[James Crivellone]

Its your typical static webpage, nothing fancy.

Code != Design imho, some of the best backend guys/programmers are the worst designers in the world.

If the code is clean, you are doing fine, its all color, css, layout, etc.

that being said, dynamic / db driven is the way to go, start learning PHP / MySQL at least.

[Wschnitz]

Was leaning towards PHP.

[Kershaw]

that's a typical Kershaw post. I wouldn't sweat it.

ouch man. im sorry i cant run 15s flat in a stock e30 to appease you.

i designed a website that looked awfully familiar to that when i was in high school. (9th or 10th grade, cant recall.) it looked bad back then and it still looks bad. even though my teacher refused to believe it was my first time making websites and i was ahead of the rest of the class, much like this kid. doesnt change the fact that it looks terrible. as i said, his code may be flawless but it's obvious he is not a designer. when it comes to websites there are coders and designers. the world needs both.

here is a site i took 5 seconds to find by searching, "good web design." quickly scanning over it i find that it has solid advice and weinerschintzel here would do well to read it.

http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/designing-tutorials/9-essential-principles-for-good-web-design/

typography is really important.

[george graves]

some of the best backend guys/programmers are the worst designers in the world.

Word. I'll further that by saying that now is a good chance to figure out what part of all this you like.

Do you like the behind the scene stuff? Then learn a language. Almost any of them will teach you basic web programming. If you really like the down and dirty code, think about a computer programming lauange. If you like how to make parts of a web site do neat tricks, learn css, ruby or what ever is flavor of the month.

Do like the layout? Then focus on becoming a graphic artist - there are so many great tools that will let you ditch html like a bad habbit, and with a bit of copy and paste, great looking sights without a ton of coding. You can just about figure anything out as you go along....

"Web designers" seem to fall into two categories:

- You work as a one man band, start to finish on a site, your clients are small, and they have no budget....ever.
- You work as part of a team on a large corporate site, you live in a cubicle, and get paid jack.

As the tools evolve, web design will get easier and easier. Templates and "widgets" will become easier to customize.

It's a lot like what happened to the desktop publishing worked in the 90's. All of the sudden anyone could do anything on their own PC, and people stopped paying for graphics to be made - and it resulted in a lot of really bad in-house stuff being made at companies. Eventually they smartened up and learned that it wasn't the tool that made the work great - it was the artist.

Heck - I think hand coding html and programming will go away for all but larger, big money sites where really special things are needed.

So "Web Design" = . A web programmer = :D. Graphic Artist = :D

[Swanny]

geocities?

[Fusion]

Focus on design. If you can, take any and all web design classes. If you can see that your teachers are insufficient in webdesign, study on your own.

There are so many opensource web formats readily available to you. If you think you can code a new wordpress, joomla, oscom, etc., you'll lose precious time. You won't be able to keep up with them. Learn to customize these awesome free community driven tools, you'll automatically learn php/sql by solving problems, contribute to the community if possible. You are allowed to monetize your work on them, refer to the licences to see how.

[Massimo]

Word. I'll further that by saying that now is a good chance to figure out what part of all this you like.

Do you like the behind the scene stuff? Then learn a language. Almost any of them will teach you basic web programming. If you really like the down and dirty code, think about a computer programming lauange. If you like how to make parts of a web site do neat tricks, learn css, ruby or what ever is flavor of the month.

Do like the layout? Then focus on becoming a graphic artist - there are so many great tools that will let you ditch html like a bad habbit, and with a bit of copy and paste, great looking sights without a ton of coding. You can just about figure anything out as you go along....

"Web designers" seem to fall into two categories:

- You work as a one man band, start to finish on a site, your clients are small, and they have no budget....ever.
- You work as part of a team on a large corporate site, you live in a cubicle, and get paid jack.

As the tools evolve, web design will get easier and easier. Templates and "widgets" will become easier to customize.

It's a lot like what happened to the desktop publishing worked in the 90's. All of the sudden anyone could do anything on their own PC, and people stopped paying for graphics to be made - and it resulted in a lot of really bad in-house stuff being made at companies. Eventually they smartened up and learned that it wasn't the tool that made the work great - it was the artist.

Heck - I think hand coding html and programming will go away for all but larger, big money sites where really special things are needed.

So "Web Design" = . A web programmer = :D. Graphic Artist = :D

Listen to this man he knows his shit!

[nebulous123]

Yeah, not to jump on the bandwagon, but very dated.

Click this link to see what not to do.

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

Is that website suppose to be an oxymoron? Because that site too should be on that list.

[Wschnitz]

That's why I'm looking at architecture first. If I go overseas to Asia I can make a ton. Know architects there already. Web design would be a ban up or side job for me.

As of recently my teacher isnt giving me time to work on my CSS and is making me add more coding. Am trying to get a nice website on par with big guns.

[tonerrrr]

What george graves said. Also you can do much much more with your css. I'm unsure what they're teaching you/what you're allowed to do. I think you got your first lesson by posting here (looking at some of the negative feedback)...

Lesson 1: No one cares how long it took to make, how long you've been working with html, or any other circumstances. End users are assholes especially in this current age of entitlement.

Example of one thing I would change: You have usability but something as simple as your styling of links throws a lot of people off. No a:hover or a:visited styling! Idiot end users will not know if you have links there or not and you think I'm lying, show someone the site who is "not good with computers". Trust me, these people exist.


Other than that not bad at all. It's nice to learn from scratch. You'll also soon learn that every "web developer/designer/graphic designer/etc" is nothing more than a guy who asks a hosting company to install Joomla! for him and slap a template in. This is not web design or programming. This is installation of a CMS. Also these people subcontract others to make any further alterations to their clients website, ha!

Keep it up, if you're interested by things now then you'll really like dynamic websites that use mysql+php+jquery to name a few. That's where the real fun begins!

Here's a fun website for learning more about css: http://www.cssplay.co.uk/

[idanity]

good site..
one pic got me remembering a friends house in HS...

his father had poured a brand new driveway, and when ever we went over (in our jelopy cars), he would put cardboard under our cars to prevent us staining his driveway...although not to me, i had a 79 corolla...

then, one day i go over and theres a 8foot black spot in his driveway....wtf you ask...well, turns out, another car was leaking oil and the car was soooo hot, it caught the cardboard on fire..which in turn caught his car on fire...which in turn became a 20foot fireball....

so...for the sake of protecting your cement with cardboard....a prevented stain may cost you your car, and a humongous stain forever....

just sayin..

btw, nice site but toss out the cardboard. get alloy or fix your leaks.

[Wschnitz]

good site..
one pic got me remembering a friends house in HS...

his father had poured a brand new driveway, and when ever we went over (in our jelopy cars), he would put cardboard under our cars to prevent us staining his driveway...although not to me, i had a 79 corolla...

then, one day i go over and theres a 8foot black spot in his driveway....wtf you ask...well, turns out, another car was leaking oil and the car was soooo hot, it caught the cardboard on fire..which in turn caught his car on fire...which in turn became a 20foot fireball....

so...for the sake of protecting your cement with cardboard....a prevented stain may cost you your car, and a humongous stain forever....

just sayin..

btw, nice site but toss out the cardboard. get alloy or fix your leaks.

I have no leaks, cardboard was for me to lay on haha.

[Pl3wA]

i like the minecraft reference. needs more