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  • idickers
    Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 92

    #1

    Stuck lock

    Our '91 318is has frozen drivers-side door lock. I can unlock the passenger side door directly with the key, or from the trunk with the central locking system. But the driver's side lock won't budge. It is was in the far right "dead-bolt" position, and I got it back up into the vertical locked position, but cannot get the key to turn to the left to unlock. Also, the flap that covers the key slot will not return, so that the slot is permanently open.

    I am clueless for power locks. Is this an issue with the lock cylinder, or the power door lock system? The driver's side lock has always been very hard to turn, and I have wondered about adding a keyless entry system. Would such a system work for our car with the lock in the current condition?
    Thanks for any suggestions!
  • downforce22
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    • Aug 2009
    • 3189

    #2
    It should be a problem with the tumbler. A lot of e30s suffer the problem after thousands of locks and unlocks. over 20 years. Most people unlock their cars from the trunk.

    If you want you can rebuild the tumbler but that is a lot of work. As long as you can open the trunk with the key you can install keyless.
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    • Dj Buttchug
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      • Jun 2010
      • 7634

      #3

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      • idickers
        Member
        • Sep 2011
        • 92

        #4
        Originally posted by downforce22
        If you want you can rebuild the tumbler but that is a lot of work. As long as you can open the trunk with the key you can install keyless.
        Thanks for the quick reply. It sounds like a keyless entry system might be in my future. How does the keyless system open the driver's door, if the lock won't open?

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        • FLG
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          • Sep 2011
          • 3165

          #5
          The keyless entry dosnt need the lock tumbler to work in order to actually open the door. As long as your central locking works (from trunk for example as posted above) and that opens the drivers door...your good.

          Sometimes spraying some penetrating oil on the mechanism (from inside the door) and some graphite into the lock will clear things up.
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          • R3Z3N
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            • Jan 2011
            • 3056

            #6
            Originally posted by downforce22
            Most people unlock their cars from the trunk.

            If you want you can rebuild the tumbler but that is a lot of work. As long as you can open the trunk with the key you can install keyless.
            It's actually quite easy. Got tired of opening my car from the trunk after a week with the GF #becausechivalry, so I fixed it. Was actually quite fun as well, and the new lock was so butter smooth.

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            • idickers
              Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 92

              #7
              I'll give the tumbler rebuild a try.

              Any recommendations for an affordable keyless entry system for our cars?

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              • FLG
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                • Sep 2011
                • 3165

                #8
                Yep

                German engineering (ge) member here sells em. Works great and is inexpensive.

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                • idickers
                  Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 92

                  #9
                  One thing I still don't understand: I can currently use the trunk to open the passenger-side lock but not the driver-side lock, which sounds like the central locking mechanism cannot control the driver lock. If keyless entry systems use the central locking mechanism to control door locks, how will the keyless system be able to unlock my drivers-side door, unless I repair the tumble?

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                  • FLG
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                    • Sep 2011
                    • 3165

                    #10
                    It won't that's what we've been saying.

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                    • idickers
                      Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 92

                      #11
                      Okay, I'm beginning to get it. My immediate problem is how to get the door open, in order to gain access to the lock, if the door is shut and the lock won't open?

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                      • FLG
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                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3165

                        #12
                        You can't manually pull the lock up from inside?

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                        • idickers
                          Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 92

                          #13
                          No, last night I couldn't raise the lock button from the inside, but I was able to raise the button this morning. Turns out the flap in the keyhole got stuck open and allowed water to enter the lock mechanism. I warmed the door and shot lock lubricant inside the mechanism, and eventually must have melted the ice, because this morning I was able to unlock the door from the inside.

                          I can once again lock and unlock all doors from the trunk lock, so I'm going to order a keyless entry system.
                          Thanks for all the help!
                          Last edited by idickers; 12-31-2012, 12:43 PM.

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                          • flyboyx
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                            • Sep 2008
                            • 8371

                            #14
                            When I first read the thread tittle, I thought it was "stück" lock. 8)
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                            • StereoInstaller1
                              GAS
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 22679

                              #15
                              Originally posted by idickers
                              No, I couldn't raise the lock button from the inside. Turns out the flap in the keyhole got stuck open and allowed water to enter the lock mechanism. I warmed the door and shot lock lubricant inside the mechanism, and eventually must have melted the ice, because this morning I was able to unlock the door from the inside.

                              I can once again lock and unlock all doors from the trunk lock, so I'm going to order a keyless entry system.
                              Thanks for all the help!
                              Be prepared for a raging pain in the ass.

                              What has likely happened here is your door lock "actuator" (lock motor) has seized. It is common on all door lock actuators of this "rack and pinion" type.

                              The BMW ones are better than most and last for 20 years...not too shabby IMO.

                              What, you ask, is the raging pain in the ass? You get to pull your door panel with the door closed. That is one miserable task, just dive in and deal with it.

                              Once you get the panel off, you can loosen the screws that hold the actuator in place. Once the actuator can move, it will likely unlock just fine.

                              Might wanna get yourself a spare known good actuator before you even start.

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