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    So I have to really ask about that 318is. It sold for around 12k on r3v this summer and then for 24k on BAT. I can see it has been cleaned up quite a bit and a center console was added. It doesn't look terribly different. Obviously one of 2 things happened here, which is it?
    1. The BAT effect - well presented cars can be sold much much higher?
    2. The car was improved 12k?

    The way the damage from a wreck was presented differently in the two ads. In the r3v ad it sounded like the frame got bent and it had to be put on a rack to straighten the car out. On BAT it just sounded like there was some light body damage that was banged out. I'm unclear on what is accurate.
    Build Thread: Ryan's Hennarot 318is
    COTM Aug 2019

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      Bat prices are a joke. Its no longer a valid place to get a baseline because of either hype or the peanut gallery.

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        Originally posted by rjmcdermott81 View Post
        So I have to really ask about that 318is. It sold for around 12k on r3v this summer and then for 24k on BAT. I can see it has been cleaned up quite a bit and a center console was added. It doesn't look terribly different. Obviously one of 2 things happened here, which is it?
        1. The BAT effect - well presented cars can be sold much much higher?
        2. The car was improved 12k?

        The way the damage from a wreck was presented differently in the two ads. In the r3v ad it sounded like the frame got bent and it had to be put on a rack to straighten the car out. On BAT it just sounded like there was some light body damage that was banged out. I'm unclear on what is accurate.
        Good point, it's worth further discussion. I thought the same about the difference in damage description between the two ads. The builder of the car is an aerospace engineer, so maybe an OCD, damage alarmist? Reseller may be a car flipper with a minimizer attitude towards damage? So maybe the truth is is the middle?

        I do believe a well presented car on BaT will attract the deepest pockets. It's an effort well-rewarded. Not a joke, as mentioned above. I believe it's where the real money is. Inhabited by established collectors and moneyed guys looking for fun rides.

        If your only market is this forum, then you're going to miss out. Wouldn't be expecting high rollers in this venue. No offense. Most of the people here are just young, can't help it.
        Last edited by Nader393; 12-13-2018, 08:31 PM.
        '91 325i

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          Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post
          I think it is easy for people to search and determine the "fair market price" of an M3 based on other ads, but it is rather more difficult for the non initiated to do the same for a more normal E30. As with any good deal it's a matter of vigilant searching and immediate action once you find it. Whereas, cars like the one we were discussing will continue to be available for those buyers who cannot be vigilant or swift.

          This may also be greatly impacted by local market trends, and I tend to only track markets within 100-200 miles of home.

          You may be able to find a great deal from an uninformed seller basing their price on NADA. The question is what you, an informed E30 owner would sell for. Are you going to list your nice 325is for $7500?
          1991 318iC
          1989 325i Field Rescue

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            Something about that Ď86 interior looks off. Like the inserts really donít match the side bolsters. And the ride height seems weirdly 4x4.

            Also, I see Brad pointed out the rust, I got a feeling itís worse then it looks.

            Maybe Iím just skeptical...


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            1991 Racecar (Chase Schmidt's former drift car - M30)
            2006 BMW X3
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              My buddy just bought his for about that price. Its a really clean car, still needs some stuff and was an auto before 88-is. He has likely already a few grand on getting small service items attended to, but it adds up quick when you want to buy brand new OEM parts.
              Simon
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                For what its worth, I was prepared to bid more than 24k for that 91 Swapped car prior to reading the previous build thread, the previous sale ad and examining all of the photos.

                It was not clear in BAT that many of the photos posted were 8 years old. There was also no current video.

                I think that a properly done swapped S52 E30 is worth 20k-27k depending on the car. If that car had an OEM style interior (maybe even stock leather sport seats or something), OEM style radio, and didnt have things moved/removed like the OBC, radio, door cards etc. with clear documentation I think the price would have been merited. I know how much time, money and effort it takes to build one right, I know others do too.

                Keep in mind also the buyer pays another 5% on top of the sale price.

                I am willing to bet that the guy who bought it either didnt know or didnt care. For me, there was not enough clear photos or documentation to merit taking the risk of buying site unseen, then spending another 6k to "make it right", I am on the opposite side of the country.

                I am in the market for a good clean stock AW coupe and will be handling a build like this with my own resources, so if you know of anyone selling please point them my way!

                Originally posted by Nader393 View Post
                Good point, it's worth further discussion. I thought the same about the difference in damage description between the two ads. The builder of the car is an aerospace engineer, so maybe an OCD, damage alarmist? Reseller may be a car flipper with a minimizer attitude towards damage? So maybe the truth is is the middle?

                I do believe a well presented car on BaT will attract the deepest pockets. It's an effort well-rewarded. Not a joke, as mentioned above. I believe it's where the real money is. Inhabited by established collectors and moneyed guys looking for fun rides.

                If your only market is this forum, then you're going to miss out. Wouldn't be expecting high rollers in this venue. No offense. Most of the people here are just young, can't help it.

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                  Originally posted by JimmyP View Post
                  Austin's didnt get the love that it deserved, was a much more completed thought, just much more finished, well rounded street car.

                  That white car is a cool build, and I do like it, but it feels like its got a bit of an identity crisis. It doesnt know if its a track star or a hard parker.

                  I thought Austin's car was a nicer package. Just the audience wasnt there when his was up.
                  Appreciate that very much, Jimmy. I think my car was infinitely nicer than that one, but bad timing played a role, as well as the color - everyone loves a white e30, there is no dispute on that. If my car had been basically any other color than silver, I think it would have done really well, but it is such a boring color, generally speaking - c'est la vie.

                  Of course, if it were any other color, I probdbly wouldn't have sold it - haha
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                    Originally posted by e30austin View Post
                    If my car had been basically any other color than silver, I think it would have done really well, but it is such a boring color, generally speaking - c'est la vie.

                    Of course, if it were any other color, I probdbly wouldn't have sold it - haha
                    See the color was one of the many things I loved about your car,,, but I do like silver(s). My race car is silver, my dually is silver, my trailer is silver.

                    I get the allure of a white E30,,, all the prominent factory E30 race cars were white. Its hard to distance from it even on std. E30s vs E30M3s.
                    The E30 looks pretty darn sporty in white "because" everyone is conditioned to seeing those werks race cars in white for 30 years. There have been so few famous E30 liveries that didnt start with a white car...
                    My Gruppe A car is white,,, well that needs to be white.
                    My MTech Cabrio is white and honestly I'd prefer if it were red or silver. I think they look much cooler. That red Mtech that just sold on BAT was so sexy
                    Jimmy P.
                    87 E30 M3 Prodrive British Touring Car
                    88 E30 M3 Zinnoberot - Garage Queen
                    88 E30 M3 Lachsilber - SCCA SPU #98
                    92 M Technic Cabrio - S14 Powered!
                    98 318Ti Morea Green
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                      Odd, I always assigned a lower value to white as they are so common. Maybe that's a function of owning a white car and wanting something different.

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                        Originally posted by JimmyP View Post
                        See the color was one of the many things I loved about your car,,, but I do like silver(s). My race car is silver, my dually is silver, my trailer is silver.

                        I get the allure of a white E30,,, all the prominent factory E30 race cars were white. Its hard to distance from it even on std. E30s vs E30M3s.
                        The E30 looks pretty darn sporty in white "because" everyone is conditioned to seeing those werks race cars in white for 30 years. There have been so few famous E30 liveries that didnt start with a white car...
                        My Gruppe A car is white,,, well that needs to be white.
                        My MTech Cabrio is white and honestly I'd prefer if it were red or silver. I think they look much cooler. That red Mtech that just sold on BAT was so sexy
                        Silver is nice on some cars, but it really just left me feeling very flat about that particular one. If I had installed everything off that car, on my black '88 325is, I never would have even considered selling.

                        Black is such a classy color, white is so timeless, and red - red has zing!
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                        '88 M5 | '88 325i | '88 325is | '88 330is | '91 325is | '91 M-Technic 325ic | '93 740il | '03 325it

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                          ...and bronzit?


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                          1991 Racecar (Chase Schmidt's former drift car - M30)
                          2006 BMW X3
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                            Originally posted by djjerme View Post
                            ...and bronzit?

                            bronzit is so good it has its own emoticon
                            Simon
                            Current Cars:
                            -1986 BMW 325e & 1968 Datsun Roadster 2000
                            Previous Car Count : 21 ... and climbing...
                            Originally posted by Melon
                            Let it be known to all. Simon fucking keeps it real.

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                              surprised this isn't on BaT
                              2001 325XI S54 AWD Wagon
                              Last edited by bradnic; 12-16-2018, 07:41 AM.
                              I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                              HOWTOs:
                              DB vert plastic bumpers
                              OEM Keys
                              MTech1 docs

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                              86 Cosmo 2.7

                              OEM+ or bust!


                              reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                              TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
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                                Originally posted by bradnic View Post
                                That's cool! The seller has a website http://glenshelly.com/sales where they have more cool stuff.

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