Has anyones gas prices been going down a TON lately?

[Jand3rson]

I personally wish gas would hit $4 and stay there. We'd get about half the trucks off the roads that way.

And SUV's. The man's got a good point. :D

[Vedubin01]

< Voted For Bush.

Democrats = :weak:

AMEN!

[Lair]

Hell, I'm 42, a taxed-to-freakin'-death small business owner, and yet I abhor that ignorant, lying sack of poo! Dropped the ball on Katrina, Iraq, No Child Left Behind, education in general, student loans(gotta pay for Iraq, ya know!)...too many to mention...

Anyone stupid enough to say "the problem with the French is they've no word for entrepreneur" should not be in a position of power!

Ah, hell.....Dick & Don really call the shots anyway....Bush just rides the train and takes the pain.

The current "my god can beat up your god" anti-diversity platform the GOP seems to be on these days is genuinely shameful....

I personally wish gas would hit $4 and stay there. We'd get about half the trucks off the roads that way. More trains FTW! :up:

Whoever thought us old farts would be considered radicals?

Excerpt from Salon.com:

The Bush administration's ties to oil and gas are as deep as an offshore well. President George W. Bush's family has been running oil companies since 1950. Vice President Dick Cheney spent the late '90s as CEO of Halliburton, the world's largest oil services company. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice sat on the board of Chevron, which graced a tanker with her name. Commerce Secretary Donald Evans was the CEO of Tom Brown Inc. -- a natural gas company with fields in Texas, Colorado and Wyoming -- for more than a decade.

The links don't end with personnel. The bin Laden family and other members of Saudi Arabia's oil-wealthy elite have contributed mightily to several Bush family ventures, even as the American energy industry helped put Bush in office. Of the top 10 lifetime contributors to George W.'s war chests, six either come from the oil business or have ties to it, according the Center for Public Integrity.

"There's no denying that this is an oil administration," says Peter Eisner, managing director of the nonprofit, nonpartisan watchdog group that conducted the study of Bush's campaign finances. "You can't talk about the career of any George Bush -- father or son -- without talking about oil."

[Vedubin01]

I personally wish gas would hit $4 and stay there. We'd get about half the trucks off the roads that way. More trains FTW! :up:

If your talking about 18 wheelers then that would only hurt you. 90% of all goods in the US travel on these trucks. You would see a 2 fold problem. Trucks would charge more per mile to cover the cost of gas. And if there is not enough trucks to pull product then you will see product paying more to get it to the stores. Thus you paying for demand higher than supply! There is a no win situation with gas.

[325Projectz]

People that want higher gas prices are idiots... People that want higher prices gas prices to get H2s\Trucks\SUVs off the road are idiots too.

I use all kinds of gas I don't need to use, I'll bet everyone does. I have a wakeboarding boat, and when fully loaded, that thing drinks gas! You going to lecture me about going to the lake? About owning a boat?

[Old'n'Slow]

AMEN!

NOT!

The House Majority Leader John Boehner (my district) has flipped so many times on key issues....we've corresponded numerous times. As a business owner, I think the minimum wage should be higher. Keeping it low forces people to rely on other people's taxes AKA WELFARE and food stamps for support. You're paying either way! Congress has had 7 pay raises since the minimum wage was fixed where it is. Boehner stated he would "never" stand for raising it. Until last week, that is. His LD stated on CNN that Boehner was now in favor of a hike in the minimum wage as long as it was coupled to tax cuts for (large wealthy businesses). This was being done because it was now "politically expedient".

Election coming up indeed!

Come on guys. Anyone who thinks the GOP is even remotely in touch with the crap most lower-middle class Americans deal with on a daily basis is themselves out-of-touch. No, I don't think the Dems have all the answers, but we've had 8 years of Conservative Republican control in both sides of the Legislature, and from my seat things don't look any better. Time for change. As a small business owner I'd love a tax cut, but not at the expense of the next 3 generations! We're seriously in the hole as a country. Cutting taxes isn't going to fix it. It's like putting a bandaid on a punctured aorta.

[Lair]

That's the part that most people don't understand. After Dubya and his pals skate off into the distance, we'll be left in a world of shit.

The housing market is cooling rapidly, and when it goes belly-up, it'll take the ATM/refi function that so many people have been abusing. I can't wait to see how many people are left holding the bag when their 5 year I/O comes due. Their houses will be worth less than they owe, and they'll probably lose their asses.

Does anybody care to guess how many 0's are in Dubya's budget deficit number? Can anyone even count that high? What comes after trillion?

At least the oil companies will have some cash surpluses.

[Vedubin01]

Raising the minimum wage is also dumb. All that is going to do is cause the price or consumer products and labor to go up. How does that win? If you make more to pay more did you win?

Want to talk about waste of money? Talk about the Dream scholarship in CA. Gives illegals scholarships to collages in CA for being an Illegal and paid with federal funds "your tax money" that's a swell libatard way of helping out our own!

And if you would like gas to go down in the US to pre 2000 times then smack a tree hugger and overturn the bill that will allow new refineries in the us. There are only 7 facilities in the us that refine oil to non leaded octane for cars. There has not been a new one built since the 70's. Its not that there is not oil but the demand to refine it is greater than the output!

[Old'n'Slow]

If your talking about 18 wheelers then that would only hurt you. 90% of all goods in the US travel on these trucks. You would see a 2 fold problem. Trucks would charge more per mile to cover the cost of gas. And if there is not enough trucks to pull product then you will see product paying more to get it to the stores. Thus you paying for demand higher than supply! There is a no win situation with gas.

CSX is in the midst of a hiring boom. Why? More companies are shipping by rail. For cross country, having 2 or 3 large, but fuel efficient diesels pulling the same load as several hundred tractor trailer rigs makes a lot of sense on a lot of fronts.

Trucks don't even begin to pay their way when it comes to road use. That's one reason the Teamsters spend soooo much money lobbying DC.

[Vedubin01]

CSX is in the midst of a hiring boom. Why? More companies are shipping by rail. For cross country, having 2 or 3 large, but fuel efficient diesels pulling the same load as several hundred tractor trailer rigs makes a lot of sense on a lot of fronts.

Trucks don't even begin to pay their way when it comes to road use. That's one reason the Teamsters spend soooo much money lobbying DC.

Trains take way to long to to make destination. They stop at every switch and pick and dump. Then as you would say every store would need a rail head to be able to off load stuff. America does not work on the policy of stock and wait, they are usually on a 24 to 48 hour stocking policy. I own a shipping business I know first hand what it cost to operate a trucking company. And I am not teamster.

Sure in a perfect world it sounds great. I would love to see a way to ship things cheaper and faster. But at this time there is no way faster than a truck and be cost effective.

The problem is people live way above their means. Most are lazy and do not know what it is to put in a hard 8 hour day. People are looking for handouts and bribes. I live in Miami FL were every other car is an M3 or a Lambo. I drive a 20 year old car and could if wanted be able to afford the other. But I choose to live with in my means and do not feel I have to have everything the minute I want it. America has got to get a grip and understand that everyone is not going to make a $100k a year and have a house in the Hamptons.

I wish everyone was happy and no one was hungry, but again that is not the world we live in. Man only knows how to destroy and we will one day destroy ourselves. Its a given and history always repeats itself. As a kid growing up in this world I could not imagine what its like to walk into the real world not knowing. The world is cold and will swallow you up. But people have got to be fighters and make something for themselves. Its hard but its done everyday. I am self made and not one person helped me get where I am today. I got out and found a need a filled it and got paid for it.

[Lair]

And if you would like gas to go down in the US to pre 2000 times then smack a tree hugger and overturn the bill that will allow new refineries in the us. There are only 7 facilities in the us that refine oil to non leaded octane for cars. There has not been a new one built since the 70's. Its not that there is not oil but the demand to refine it is greater than the output!

Forgive me for questioning your claim, but how can the tree huggers prevent the oil companies from opening new refineries?

You are aware that there's an oil administration in place in Washington, correct? The Dems are powerless. They have been for 8 years. If the oil companies wanted to open new refineries, they would. Instead, they inflate the price of gasoline to insane levels, then watch as the NeoCons blame it on the tree huggers, and of course, as Joe Public buys it hook, line, and sinker.

Pretty sweet deal for the oil companies and the Republicans.

[808BMW]

Raising gas prices to get rid of big vehicles is stupid. If someone can blow $130k on a hummer, they aren't going to sell it because gas costs too much.

If you want $4/gallon, I think I'll see that over here by the end of the year.


And trains can pull a larger amount of stuff a farther distance for cheaper, but it stops at the train station. Most companies don't get shipments large enough to fill a train, so that train has to be unpacked, and distributed from the station to a loading dock, which must be done by truck.

[Ryan Stewart]

Fascism at its finest.

A stoner at his finest.

See? No Point, just an idiot. You dont even know what fascism is if you think my description of economics has anything to do with it.

You didnt make a point the first time either.

And it really has nothing to do with me liking Bush, I think he is doing a shitty job. Its just that most of you are way to ignorant of how the world actually works to be talking.

If you actually know what you are talking about and I am wrong give me an example of something bush did in the past few weeks to make gas prices drop 40 cents. Ive given plenty of examples as to why it really happened.

[Ryan Stewart]

Raising gas prices to get rid of big vehicles is stupid. If someone can blow $130k on a hummer, they aren't going to sell it because gas costs too much.

Fords personal light truck sales slid 30%. That is a fucking HUGE change in a year, let alone a quarter. Those changes usually only happen when there is a big change in market perception (recall, legal battle, ect). That is a bigger single hit to them than the effects of sept 11th.

Yeah it wont get rid of those where its such a small part of their income but look at how many people in this country are making 100k+. Even those people are looking into better alternatives or dirving those vehicles less.

[Ryan Stewart]

Forgive me for questioning your claim, but how can the tree huggers prevent the oil companies from opening new refineries?

You are aware that there's an oil administration in place in Washington, correct? The Dems are powerless. They have been for 8 years. If the oil companies wanted to open new refineries, they would. Instead, they inflate the price of gasoline to insane levels, then watch as the NeoCons blame it on the tree huggers, and of course, as Joe Public buys it hook, line, and sinker.

Pretty sweet deal for the oil companies and the Republicans.

Actually, a lot of the people who work for Bush were around when most of the policies that are currently effecting us were implemented, under Clinton.