Has anyones gas prices been going down a TON lately?

[Ryan Stewart]

Here is something from a source I think the liberals can accept. NPR.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439

Two major things they state, crude is priced by the futures market, oil companies cannot dictate market price.

[kommissar]

Ot

Ryan,

This is off topic, but I see your blaring red signature here all the time and I always wonder, what does supporting Denmark and defending the free world have to do with one another?

Also, I see you live in Kansas. Do you have relatives in Denmark?

Thanks.

[Lair]

Here is something from a source I think the liberals can accept. NPR.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5365439

Two major things they state, crude is priced by the futures market, oil companies cannot dictate market price.

Oil companies cannot, but whose pocket are the traders in?

Why did the market not skyrocket BEFORE Dubya took over?

[Old'n'Slow]

I think it's also important to remember that China is now having a large effect on oil prices. Never before have they consumed so much oil. Many are driving cars when they used to bike. Their industry, fueled by massive demand for low-cost goods, is not as efficient as it could be energy-wise.

For those of you who pejoratively use the term "tree hugger", you might do well to consider the fact that in spite of our industry, our air quality is light- years ahead of what the Chinese are currently dealing with due to fact that their industries are largely held unaccountable for pollution.

While I believe there are extremists on both sides of the environmental debate, I'm certainly not in favor of having businesses "self regulate" as the cons would suggest.

And Vedubin01, I assume this is what you're talking about. Before you blame the "libatards" for allowing this to happen, you should educate yourself! The Dream Act (part of CIRA 2006) is GOP approved!

(You might also enjoy this piece about how your favorite party plans to grant citizenship to over 10 million illegals. Or this piece. The CIRA is itself 796 pages long. I suggest you look it over before you blame the libs for the fact that we have too many people here illegally...)

If, in fact, this is what you're upset about, consider:

ALL the corporations listed are major Republican contributors/supporters.

The Conservatives NEED illegal immigrants. They WANT illegal immingrants. They FUND illegal immigrants. So they decide to grant them citizenship. Voila! "Look! We've reduced the number of illegals!" If our leaders saw fit, there could be mass deportations beginning tomorrow. But big business LOVES cheap labor that doesn't (can't) demand benefits. And the GOP LOVES big business, so the illegals are staying put. And you and I will continue to pay for this.

Finally, the current minimum wage is unconscionably low. One possible solution is to cut the payroll taxes businesses pay while raising the minimum amount a worker can be paid. I own a business. I pay a tax based on how large my payroll is. That's why many businesses want it kept low. Make that tax go away, and businesses will have more to pay and workers will have more to spend. This is a rising tide.

Besides, if you don't like poor people getting part of YOUR paycheck in the form of government relief, then we're gonna have to pay them more than $150 a week. Let's see you exist on that with rent, insurance, etc and not be sucking a federal or state tit....

The race to the bottom (prices/wages) is the real no-win scenario.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I think it's also important to remember that China is now having a large effect on oil prices. Never before have they consumed so much oil. Many are driving cars when they used to bike. Their industry, fueled by massive demand for low-cost goods, is not as efficient as it could be energy-wise.

For those of you who pejoratively use the term "tree hugger", you might do well to consider the fact that in spite of our industry, our air quality is light- years ahead of what the Chinese are currently dealing with due to fact that their industries are largely held unaccountable for pollution.

While I believe there are extremists on both sides of the environmental debate, I'm certainly not in favor of having businesses "self regulate" as the cons would suggest.

And Vedubin01, I assume this is what you're talking about. Before you blame the "libatards" for allowing this to happen, you should educate yourself! The Dream Act (part of CIRA 2006) is GOP approved!

(You might also enjoy this piece about how your favorite party plans to grant citizenship to over 10 million illegals. Or this piece. The CIRA is itself 796 pages long. I suggest you look it over before you blame the libs for the fact that we have too many people here illegally...)

If, in fact, this is what you're upset about, consider:

ALL the corporations listed are major Republican contributors/supporters.

The Conservatives NEED illegal immigrants. They WANT illegal immingrants. They FUND illegal immigrants. So they decide to grant them citizenship. Voila! "Look! We've reduced the number of illegals!" If our leaders saw fit, there could be mass deportations beginning tomorrow. But big business LOVES cheap labor that doesn't (can't) demand benefits. And the GOP LOVES big business, so the illegals are staying put. And you and I will continue to pay for this.

Finally, the current minimum wage is unconscionably low. One possible solution is to cut the payroll taxes businesses pay while raising the minimum amount a worker can be paid. I own a business. I pay a tax based on how large my payroll is. That's why many businesses want it kept low. Make that tax go away, and businesses will have more to pay and workers will have more to spend. This is a rising tide.

Besides, if you don't like poor people getting part of YOUR paycheck in the form of government relief, then we're gonna have to pay them more than $150 a week. Let's see you exist on that with rent, insurance, etc and not be sucking a federal or state tit....

The race to the bottom (prices/wages) is the real no-win scenario.

Some bloody sense in all this!! Everyone talks shit until its them who need the helping hand. Ive been on both sides of the rich/poor equation in extremes I speak from experience.

Mariano

[SchnellerVert]

This goes to the exporting of America. Outsourcing the cheap paying jobs is a big negative.

This upcoming senate election and presidential elections will be interesting.

[AdironRider]

Ryan is the only person here who knows a single thing about this topic. All you people need to take some economics courses. Im sick of the BUsh is the killer of the world crap.

[1991 318is]

Get real.

Gas prices change very rapidly. Too rapidly to support an argument that they are based on supply and demand. It was only months ago that they increased 30 cents/gallon in 48 hours. Faster than the tanker trucks were delivering to the corner 7-11.
"All economy is political economy" The difference between the Republicans and Democrats is about as significant as the difference between whores. Oil companies are big-pimpin' them bitches. Was it good for you? We'll get cheap ass until after the election and then we'll really get f**ked and it doesn't matter who wins because we're gonna lose.
Disregard if you went to Yale.

[AdironRider]

Gas prices change very rapidly. Too rapidly to support an argument that they are based on supply and demand. It was only months ago that they increased 30 cents/gallon in 48 hours. Faster than the tanker trucks were delivering to the corner 7-11.
"All economy is political economy" The difference between the Republicans and Democrats is about as significant as the difference between whores. Oil companies are big-pimpin' them bitches. Was it good for you? We'll get cheap ass until after the election and then we'll really get f**ked and it doesn't matter who wins because we're gonna lose.
Disregard if you went to Yale.

Wrong. Gas prices are based upon expectations. In other words, not how much it cost to fill the tank in the ground, but rather how much its going to cost to fill the next one. Thats why gas shot up like a buck after Katrina hit and we lost a major oil center. This has already been gone over.

[Lair]

Gas prices change very rapidly. Too rapidly to support an argument that they are based on supply and demand. It was only months ago that they increased 30 cents/gallon in 48 hours. Faster than the tanker trucks were delivering to the corner 7-11.
"All economy is political economy" The difference between the Republicans and Democrats is about as significant as the difference between whores. Oil companies are big-pimpin' them bitches. Was it good for you? We'll get cheap ass until after the election and then we'll really get f**ked and it doesn't matter who wins because we're gonna lose.
Disregard if you went to Yale.

:up:

[Ryan Stewart]

Oil companies cannot, but whose pocket are the traders in?

Why did the market not skyrocket BEFORE Dubya took over?

So you dont argue against anything in that article? (which happens to be agreeing with EVERYTHING I have said from the beginning)

Also, gas prices spiked in the 70s. Was GW doing something from his dorm room?

Also here is a chart of the gas (at the pump average) prices for the US an europe:


Notice how the trend is dominant no matter where you are at? Is GW setting policy in Germany or the Netherlands? Maybe those in the Netherlands are really concerned about this upcoming election season in the US.

Some spot checks over the last few months in the US and singapore:

Except for LA (maybe bush has a specific reason to charge them more) our prices have changed in line with those in Singapore. Possibly Singapore wants a conservative Ledgislature or maybe Bush is controlling the prices in Singapore so a Republican can win in Iowa.

These are thanks to the EIA.

There was a drop in prices after Bush senior took office with one higher year in the middle of his administration and then a drop in the last 2 years. It rose and fell many times during Clinton's administration.

There was a big spike during the embargo. The oil companies had no control of them. Locally, gas is 10c more for 87 and 20c more for 91 in KC, just 25 miles away from here. What does Bush have to do with that?

[Ryan Stewart]

Ryan,

This is off topic, but I see your blaring red signature here all the time and I always wonder, what does supporting Denmark and defending the free world have to do with one another?

Also, I see you live in Kansas. Do you have relatives in Denmark?

a. Denmark was the nation that had the cartoons depicting a certain Muslim profit and the Islamic world was boycotting Dane products and vandalizing property. Supporting Denmark supports the right to freedom of expression without oppresion from any given religion.

b. No relatives that I know of. Some friends but no family.

Warum? Kennst du Leute, die in Danemark wohnen?

[Lair]

Lucky for the oil companies that the price they have no control over has made them countless billions of dollars. ;)

Just a happy coincidence - kinda like the price dropping like a rock immediately before mid-term elections and and also before the biggest retail sales period of the year.

Next we'll see the capture of Bin Laden.

[blunttech]

Actually growth as declined and there is a building surplus of US crude. Couple that with a pretty large field discovered in the gulf and a pratically non-existant hurricane season and the speculators are looking to unload.

Also fuel blends are less stringently controlled in winter because of the reduced humidity/smog and vapor loss.

All those factors have a hell of a lot more to do with gas prices than Bush, but given the age of most members here its not a shocker that bush is a target.

dont be so quick to discount the well informed college kids. word has it bush is planning on bombing multiple oil fields after the election much the way he did the levies in new orleans. then hugo chavez and bush are going to retire in the south of france

[Lair]

Bush will have to find someone else to retire with after Pat Robertson has Chavez assassinated.

PS. . .I'm probably old enough to be your father.