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    OK so my car feels like a bull with no balls

    So...I go to my friends house. He's got a 2001 Jetta w/ VR6 and pretty hefty list of mods done to it. We work together and talk about our cars pretty much all of the time to make the day go by. This evening, he let me take it for a spin, and I swear, it made my 325e feel like I was at the helm of a giant slug. There are certain things that I feel when I'm driving his car that I don't even come close to feeling in my car. Now, I know an M20 will have a pretty tough time matching up with a current generation 2.8 VR6 motor, but I know for many standards the eta engine is just way way wayyy too weak. What I was wondering is, I have only driven an E30 325i one time. I was test driving one for 5 minutes because I actually found one that was worth it (he backed out of selling it... ). It felt great, but I cannot remember for the life of me how it felt to drive it. When I drove in my friend's car, it felt like a bucking bull, pulling just as hard in 3rd as it did in 1st. (BTW he clocked 14.83 at the drag strip today, naturally aspirated, just bored out motor)

    I'll cut to the chase, I would like to hear about the experiences of people who have owned or just have lots of experience driving both the eta and i motor cars for extended periods of time. Just how different is it driving the i from the e? Do you get a decent amount of pull from the gears across the board? I love my car very much, especially all the work I've put into it for the past 4 years I have owned it. Lately, though, it has just become slow to me, and I would like to give the performance a little boost. Whether this be from a few i parts here and there, a stroker conversion, or a swap, I'm just highly interested in hearing just how much of a difference the driving experience is with the i motor.
    I retired my E30 for now...
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    David Schultz

    #2
    Finally, a 325e owner that realizes how slow his car is :)

    I have driven both a 325e and a 325i extensively. When my 325i was auto, a 325e might have been able to hang with me a bit (not beat or stay even, but hang). Now that I had done the swap with a 4.10 and a few other goodies, my car would fucking embarass a 325e. I am going to race my friend's E30 M3 soon actually, because I think it'd be pretty even.

    RISING EDGE

    Let's drive fast and have fun.

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      #3
      I think I'm pretty qualified to compare the 2 cars since I own an '87 325e and an '89 325is, both 5 spd's. The eta has a wider band and I can lug it down to almost 1k rpm and it will still pull, yet not very quickly. The 'is' wraps out much quicker and pulls harder on the top end than the low end. (Difference in displacement and torque).

      The eta is fun to drive around town, but it is a SLOW car. I don't even push it, that's not what it's for. The 'is' responds well when pushed, that's what it's for. I think it's a little on the slow side too, but that's me coming from an e36 M3 that ran low 13's.

      I wouldn't begin to put ANY money into the engine of an eta, it just doens't make any since to me. You're starting with something slow and have a HUGE hurdle to overcome. For the money you can make an 'i' engine run pretty good.

      "Modern cars may be able to outgun it, but few can match its character, its motorsport spirit, and the way it plasters a huge grin on your face at any speed." - Patrick George

      1988 M3 - Track Rat
      1989 325iC M50 Vert
      1989 325i Coupe
      1991 318is
      1995 318ti Club Sport
      2006 330i e90
      2008 Tundra Crewmax

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        #4
        I have had a 325e before and later on I swapped the "e" engine out for for the later "i" engine along with a 3.73lsd. The 325e had more low end grunt than the 325i but I never missed the e once the swap was done. The 325i pulled sooo much harder through 3,500 than you can imagine with the e. The e stands for economy and thats what it is for. Its better on gas and has a lower compression of 8.3 I believe rather than the 8.8 which is still nothing to do backflips over but it is a LOT more enjoyable 8)
        - 318is 4 life

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          #5
          Actually, 325i's have an 8.8:1 compression and eta's have 9.0:1.

          RISING EDGE

          Let's drive fast and have fun.

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            #6
            Funny thing is my 'is' actually gets better mileage than my eta.

            "Modern cars may be able to outgun it, but few can match its character, its motorsport spirit, and the way it plasters a huge grin on your face at any speed." - Patrick George

            1988 M3 - Track Rat
            1989 325iC M50 Vert
            1989 325i Coupe
            1991 318is
            1995 318ti Club Sport
            2006 330i e90
            2008 Tundra Crewmax

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              #7
              Originally posted by Digitalwave
              Finally, a 325e owner that realizes how slow his car is :)
              I know, it was as slow as an Auto 325i. I had to get an engine swap to get over it.


              Man, the Eta wont be fast. Just get another motor.
              Im now E30less.
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                #8
                Actually, an auto 325i is still considerably faster than a stock 5 speed eta.

                RISING EDGE

                Let's drive fast and have fun.

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                  #9
                  I have a friend with an auto eta. Poor guy :(

                  "Modern cars may be able to outgun it, but few can match its character, its motorsport spirit, and the way it plasters a huge grin on your face at any speed." - Patrick George

                  1988 M3 - Track Rat
                  1989 325iC M50 Vert
                  1989 325i Coupe
                  1991 318is
                  1995 318ti Club Sport
                  2006 330i e90
                  2008 Tundra Crewmax

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Digitalwave
                    Actually, an auto 325i is still considerably faster than a stock 5 speed eta.
                    except that I pulled the same 1/4 time as you did (according to you in that past thread).

                    And auto Eta has got to be awful. Did they make and Auto 318i? I hope not.
                    Im now E30less.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ryan Stewart
                      Did they make and Auto 318i? I hope not.
                      sadly enough they did...my 85 318i I owned briefly was an auto
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                        #12
                        Heh... first week with my car some guy in a MK4 Golf VR6 got beside me at a light and asked to race.

                        1 block and I was 2-3 cars ahead.

                        VR6's are't that fast, at least not in the heavy cars they get put in.
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                          #13
                          TJ, when you raced your auto did you just stick it in D? I know shifting an auto is dumb, but it makes a difference.. you can actually get to redline, for one. :P

                          only another 8 months or so..
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ryan Stewart
                            Originally posted by Digitalwave
                            Actually, an auto 325i is still considerably faster than a stock 5 speed eta.
                            except that I pulled the same 1/4 time as you did (according to you in that past thread).

                            And auto Eta has got to be awful. Did they make and Auto 318i? I hope not.
                            And your car was bone stock?

                            Nando, yes, just put it in drive.

                            RISING EDGE

                            Let's drive fast and have fun.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Digitalwave
                              Actually, 325i's have an 8.8:1 compression and eta's have 9.0:1.
                              thats what i said the 325i had.........I always thought the eta was signifigantly lower? and the supereta had the 9.0? My mistake.
                              - 318is 4 life

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