Camber adjustment question

[joehasane30]

think i finally found what i am looking for.

Product SKU Price Camber Plate - Adjustable street&track
E30cambersr
$275.00
New Product- Adjustable camber plates for the E30. These allow approximately up to 3 degrees of negative camber for the front suspension. These plates have sperical bearings encased in urethane to offer some cushioning. These are for dual purpose car that are street driven but are also used for track days and autocross. You can add negative camber for the track and adjust it back for street driving. They do not require drilling any holes and your strut brace will still fit. The bearings are easily replacable. Ride height will be lowered 1/8". These will work with factory type springs or 2.5" ID adjustable height coil over systems like the Bilstein PSS9. Priced per pair

edit: pretty sure these are the ones you were trying to show me on page 1 Jesse30. i went to the I.E. site and they werent there about 4 days ago, now the first item that shows up on the I.E. website under suspension is those camber plates.

[Fidhle007]

think i finally found what i am looking for.

Product SKU Price Camber Plate - Adjustable street&track
E30cambersr
$275.00
New Product- Adjustable camber plates for the E30. These allow approximately up to 3 degrees of negative camber for the front suspension. These plates have sperical bearings encased in urethane to offer some cushioning. These are for dual purpose car that are street driven but are also used for track days and autocross. You can add negative camber for the track and adjust it back for street driving. They do not require drilling any holes and your strut brace will still fit. The bearings are easily replacable. Ride height will be lowered 1/8". These will work with factory type springs or 2.5" ID adjustable height coil over systems like the Bilstein PSS9. Priced per pair

edit: pretty sure these are the ones you were trying to show me on page 1 Jesse30. i went to the I.E. site and they werent there about 4 days ago, now the first item that shows up on the I.E. website under suspension is those camber plates.

Those won't work for you, at full positive they will be the same as a stock bearing. I have them, I know. GC is your only option at this point because they're one of the few companies that make a plate with enough adjustment to go past the stock setting.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=142/CA=183

[joehasane30]

Those won't work for you, at full positive they will be the same as a stock bearing. I have them, I know. GC is your only option at this point because they're one of the few companies that make a plate with enough adjustment to go past the stock setting.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=142/CA=183

alright ill look at these now, thank god you said that I almost ordered the I.E. ones.

[twistednut]

I have both IE's an GC's. You can take out more of the negative camber with the IE's. Their drawback is they add about 3/8" back into the ride height. Jay from GC sold me one of the last sets of the old camber plates and I had to flip them and I had to grind away some of them to take out the negative camber. From looking pictures of the new GC plates they have removed the part that I had to grind away on mine. Also the GC plates allow for some caster adjustment. The IE's don't.

[joehasane30]

I have both IE's an GC's. You can take out more of the negative camber with the IE's. Their drawback is they add about 3/8" back into the ride height. Jay from GC sold me one of the last sets of the old camber plates and I had to flip them and I had to grind away some of them to take out the negative camber. From looking pictures of the new GC plates they have removed the part that I had to grind away on mine. Also the GC plates allow for some caster adjustment. The IE's don't.

thank you. that was good information. I actually wouldnt mind adding 3/8" to the front of my car because I've already blown an oil pan once. pretty sure i wil order the I.E. plates tommorow.

[Eric]

this is entertaining.

do u mean if i put the plate on the most positive setting it has will still be the same if not more negetive camber then i already have? thats pretty stupid I.M.O. if they sell them like that.

aftermarket camber plates are designed to add negative camber for people who want to go fast on a track, auto-x, some backroad, or for r3v hard parking. why would somebody spend a ton of time and money designing a product that makes a car handle worse and look worse?

You have a bent strut, a bent subframe, a bent control arm, or a bent unibody. BMW makes a product for you, it's called the crash mounts. You however want to look everywhere else for products that won't work instead of putting up the bucks to buy the correct parts.

true that, but i still have the problem and i am definitly not raising my car to solve the problem, i do have a question tho, say i get the camber plates and they do give me less negetive camber, do u think that mite raise my car a little bit in the front with less camber so i can run a 40 tire instead of 45?

what are the specs for the alighnment you said you just had done?

USUALLY most aftermarked camber plates remove overall stack height. that means that it will lower your car a little bit.

You are confusing to me because you want to raise your car to give you the ability to run a smaller profile tire...

so basically the vorshlag wont do much positive for me?

yes, that is correct, they will not remove the excessive negative camber that you have.

once again, aftermarket camber plates are designe to ADD NEGATIVE CAMBER.

[StereoInstaller1]

this is entertaining.



aftermarket camber plates are designed to add negative camber for people who want to go fast on a track, auto-x, some backroad, or for r3v hard parking. why would somebody spend a ton of time and money designing a product that makes a car handle worse and look worse?

You have a bent strut, a bent subframe, a bent control arm, or a bent unibody. BMW makes a product for you, it's called the crash mounts. You however want to look everywhere else for products that won't work instead of putting up the bucks to buy the correct parts.



what are the specs for the alighnment you said you just had done?

USUALLY most aftermarked camber plates remove overall stack height. that means that it will lower your car a little bit.

You are confusing to me because you want to raise your car to give you the ability to run a smaller profile tire...



yes, that is correct, they will not remove the excessive negative camber that you have.

once again, aftermarket camber plates are designe to ADD NEGATIVE CAMBER.

yeah, OK, so what WE are discussing is how to fix that. If you don't have anything useful to add, move along.

Thanks.

thank you. that was good information. I actually wouldnt mind adding 3/8" to the front of my car because I've already blown an oil pan once. pretty sure i wil order the I.E. plates tommorow.

Joe, you are in the exact same position as me. Yes, I want my car low, but I also require that I get more than 8,000 miles out of a set of tires.

I am sick to death of replacing tires, plus the stupid look of "racer boy wanna be" negative camber is just fucking ghey. Plus, my car sees more miles on the freeway than anywhere and I am very tired of it being so twitchy. Less negative camber will help that.

Every single car I see with tons of camber I think would look better if the fucking wheel were vertical. Now that I have seen what it looks like, I know I am right:


Personally, I want a comfortable ride, too. My issue with all of the adjustable camber plates is that they replace the stock bushing with a solid urethane mount type. While this is fine for the track or the racer-boi, those of us who want more of a small touring car do not find this to be comfortable.

[joehasane30]

this is entertaining.



aftermarket camber plates are designed to add negative camber for people who want to go fast on a track, auto-x, some backroad, or for r3v hard parking. why would somebody spend a ton of time and money designing a product that makes a car handle worse and look worse?

You have a bent strut, a bent subframe, a bent control arm, or a bent unibody. BMW makes a product for you, it's called the crash mounts. You however want to look everywhere else for products that won't work instead of putting up the bucks to buy the correct parts.



what are the specs for the alighnment you said you just had done?

USUALLY most aftermarked camber plates remove overall stack height. that means that it will lower your car a little bit.

You are confusing to me because you want to raise your car to give you the ability to run a smaller profile tire...



yes, that is correct, they will not remove the excessive negative camber that you have.

once again, aftermarket camber plates are designe to ADD NEGATIVE CAMBER.

seriuosly man nothing useful hear waste of my time. I've heard this before, my stuff isnt bent. I have normal e30 camber when u lower ur car i just dont want it is all. If there is a camber plate out there that will reduce my negetive camber of course im gonna buy it. I have camber plates on my rx7 that came with the coilovers i bought for it. They give me about a degree less of positive camber then when i had kyb gr2's and racing beat lowering spinrgs and the car is about an inch lower then it use to be. So in conclusion if i get any less negetive camber out of those I.E. plates, im going to buy them.

[joehasane30]

yeah, OK, so what WE are discussing is how to fix that. If you don't have anything useful to add, move along.

Thanks.
Joe, you are in the exact same position as me. Yes, I want my car low, but I also require that I get more than 8,000 miles out of a set of tires.

I am sick to death of replacing tires, plus the stupid look of "racer boy wanna be" negative camber is just fucking ghey. Plus, my car sees more miles on the freeway than anywhere and I am very tired of it being so twitchy. Less negative camber will help that.

Every single car I see with tons of camber I think would look better if the fucking wheel were vertical. Now that I have seen what it looks like, I know I am right:


Personally, I want a comfortable ride, too. My issue with all of the adjustable camber plates is that they replace the stock bushing with a solid urethane mount type. While this is fine for the track or the racer-boi, those of us who want more of a small touring car do not find this to be comfortable.

I very much agree with you. I really hate wearing my tires down, especially since this car is my daily driver and i have school 4 days a week, about 20 miles there and 20 back. After a year of doing that 20 mile there and back, and who knows where else im gonna drive, i really jsut want less camber.

I also realized, right now im using 225/45/17 all the way around, and i can already tell if i throw any positive camber on my car my front fenders are going to rub since ive got 20mm spacers. Before i got the 225/45 tire up front i had a 215/40 tire up front and 225/45 in the back. The front tires werent as flush as the 225/45. I think if i just add about a degree of positive camber back into the front the 215/40 tire will be much more flush. also with 225/45 in back and 215/40 in front my car has just about the perfect rake i want to it. With 225/45 all the way around it looks too flat i think.

[joehasane30]

[quote=Eric;1332663]this is entertaining.



aftermarket camber plates are designed to add negative camber for people who want to go fast on a track, auto-x, some backroad, or for r3v hard parking. why would somebody spend a ton of time and money designing a product that makes a car handle worse and look worse?

oh and also, thats why they make STREET/TRACK plates because they are for people who cant afford a 10,000$ side project to race with and have to use the one car they can actually drive. So i can adjust my car to the most positive setting when i drive on the street and add soem negetive if i want to autox maybe. So it leaves my options open. Im sure there are plenty of ppl on this website who do just wat i said.

[Need4Speed]

SPC Makes e30 camber correction strut mounts that work very well on the street for + or - camber, they are about $250 to $300.

[joehasane30]

SPC Makes e30 camber correction strut mounts that work very well on the street for + or - camber, they are about $250 to $300.

the I.E. ones are the same price, ide rather get those.

[z50_Jumper]

Just incase you didnt search I just started a topic on the IE camber plates because im in the same boat as the OP, an owner of the IE plates actually said they will allow adding positive camber to help correct to camber issue of lowering springs. I have just ordered the IE camber plates for use with stock springs, was told they raise the car just a tad.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=126801

[Need4Speed]

the I.E. ones are the same price, ide rather get those.

The IE camber correction plates are copies of the SPCs with a cheaper bearing.

[golde30]

you want positive camber? just switch to e30 m3 5lug. without any camber plates or offset FSM, i had slightly positive camber even when lowered on H&R race springs...