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I agree there is no way you can justify spending an extra 4 grand for the 335d, but the diesel X5 doesn't seem to be that bad of a deal... 425 lb/ft of torque would come in handy pulling that boat. I would definitely get that over the more expensive V8 (350 lb/ft).Comment
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i actually rode in a diesel bimmer while in france over the holidays and had amazing torque and wasnt too loud....i liked itAW 89' 325i Vert - SOLDComment
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At last years Komen drive they had a diesel X5 and I was able to drive it and was thoroughly impressed.
I actually drove the 4.8is back to back with the diesel X5 and was pretty impressed by what the diesel could do. You could definitely feel the torque difference, although the gas X5 was a little bit quicker.
What I want is a 335d with software. A good friend of mine is ESS tuning's(from norway) software writer and he said with a slight tune they're getting some ridiculous numbers. I'm talking 300+hp and 500+ ft. lbs of torque.
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Hammer, meet head of nail.
Gas may be under $50/barrel now, but it wont be in a few months. And when the price of gas goes back up, which it will, the diesel will start selling much faster. Besides, a 335d is much, much faster than a 328i and gets better mileage to boot. I think a lot of people will enjoy that.Comment
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Oooooh man, that would be so badass...Comment
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Do some research before you start calling people names. Nobody is going to pay an extra $4000 for a diesel engine when gasoline costs less than $2/gallon and diesel fuel is anywhere between 20-60% more expensive. And in California and all the other states that adoped the same emissions standards, diesel cars must meet the same NoX, CO, and HC emissions as gasoline cars for at least 100k miles. That means the catalytic converter, Nox trap and urea injection must work perfectly forever. Fat chance. Maybe diesel makes sense in Europe where you get tax raped every time you look at a gas station and weak emissions standards. If bmw wanted to sell a truly efficient model in the US they would've broght over the 320d or 123d.
Mark my words: diesel bmws will fail in America.
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Originally Posted by tjts1
Wake me up when it fails smog/breaks down/depreciates to oblivion/flops.
I have done plenty of "research". I work on those diesel motors every day.--- what i was getting at was the motors hold up just fine. there are no problems with the cars passing smog here, and they do not "break down any more than any gasoline car-- there is NO urea system on them-- and there is the emmisions testing here in Germany every 2 years also.
waht you are saying on parts working forever is just STUPID! every car since 1974 in the U.s. has a Cat. anbd is supposed to "work forever too"
BTW, diesel is cheaper here in Germany, but the yearly taxes are alot more-- so unless you are putting major miles on a car it really doesnt pay to have a diesel here.
are you really that blind to think the emmisions standards are easier here????????
now as far as them selling, I dont think it will go over well either-- my comment was about the "BREAK DOWN" commentComment
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well if it does fail, the shitty part is It will deffently but america the NO diesels ever again list.
Im sure they would sell some though. Just like the Mercs, it just sitting at the light in front of you and PLOOOM! some smoke comes out and you read that its a C230td or some shit.
they will sell enough to make themselves happy, Im sure they know that the cars are not gonna be bought up like hot cakes.. No way they are that stupid.
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He is correct about our NOx emissions levels being much lower than Europe. When the new emissions standards were adopted a short time ago, Congress failed to make a distinction between gasoline and diesel powered cars. Since gas powered cars put out low levels of NOx, the bar was set very low. Diesels put out higher levels of NOx (but less C02) and therefor much work was required to get them to pass the new, more stringent emissions.
On the other hand, Europe currently has higher standards for CO2 levels, and I believe the new Euro 6 standards will require higher MPG (or lower L/100km, take your pick) than the new set of US regulations (though I could be wrong, I haven't looked at them side-by-side)
And Mike you are correct, particle filters are a 'lifetime' part, the same as cat converters. Which means you will probably need to replace them at the 150K-200K mile area. The Urea thing, well, I think it's just a stop-gap to get some of the models 50-state legal. Within a few years engine technology will reduce NOx emissions enough to eliminate the need for urea injection, but until then, some cars will be stuck with it. On the bright side, it's no more costly or inconvenient than regular coolant changes, so it's not bad.Comment
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