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  • shiftbmw
    R3VLimited
    • Oct 2005
    • 2012

    #31
    If all else is equal, go with the 4.10. I'd prioritize a working, good shape diff first, LSD second, and ratio third.

    WIth the 4.10 versus the 3.73, your rpms will be roughly 10% higher at any given time than they would be at the same gear/speed with the 3.73.

    There will be an effect on your fuel mileage and more wear on your motor/tranny but both will be pretty much inconsequencial. You are maybe talking a 2 mpg loss...your mileage is a lot more dependent on your driving habits.

    Like Blunt mentioned though, don't get too hung up on the diff ratio choice. Both are pretty ideally suited for an M20/getrag 260. There are other places to spend money first in terms of fun per dollar ratio.
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    • Philo
      Ich esse kleine Kinder
      • Oct 2008
      • 3334

      #32
      Originally posted by Spinning Tires
      Every m20 car I've come across had either LSD or came with LSD and had burnt clutches. Guess it was a coincidence?
      How ironic. I have no clue how that would happen. . . . :blowup:

      I have a Metric Mechanic M20 and 3.73 LSD. So I cruise 70 @ just under 3k and shift into 4th at about 90, and thats with redline @6500 :D

      So it depends on what you are running.
      Last edited by Philo; 03-24-2009, 08:10 PM.
      -tim
      Originally posted by Jordan
      I like the stance
      -Coining hip terms since 10/9/03

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      • rThor432
        No R3VLimiter
        • Feb 2007
        • 3907

        #33
        Originally posted by Kerrath
        What is still incorrect? I'd like to know so I can know better next time and so I can fix my mistake.
        Originally posted by Kerrath
        In that case, you don't want the 87 because its an eta and the 91 is more powerful.
        '87 could be all sorts of things, but for the US market it is either an eta or "i", not necessarily either. B25 is a B25, so no real difference from the '91.

        I might be nit-picking, but that was the only problem I noticed with your post earlier before you edited it.

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        • rThor432
          No R3VLimiter
          • Feb 2007
          • 3907

          #34
          Originally posted by britishbmw
          So I cruise 70 @ just under 3k and shift into 3rd at about 90
          You shift into 3rd at 90 with a 3.73?
          Last edited by nando; 03-24-2009, 06:49 PM.

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          • nando
            Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 34827

            #35
            Originally posted by rThor432
            You shift into 3rd at 90 with a 3.73?
            I think he means shift into 4th at 90. I do that with a 4.10 :p
            Last edited by nando; 03-24-2009, 07:44 PM.
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            • Kerrath
              E30 Addict
              • Jun 2008
              • 577

              #36
              Originally posted by rThor432
              '87 could be all sorts of things, but for the US market it is either an eta or "i", not necessarily either. B25 is a B25, so no real difference from the '91.

              I might be nit-picking, but that was the only problem I noticed with your post earlier before you edited it.

              All fixed now. Thanks for informing me.

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              • Philo
                Ich esse kleine Kinder
                • Oct 2008
                • 3334

                #37
                Originally posted by nando
                I think he means shift into 4th at 90. I do that with a 4.10 :p
                Correct.

                by keypad. What a sad day. Stupid Iphone.

                Time for fixie.

                Oh and I have yet to try it with the redline at 7200. I can hear fun calling my name.
                -tim
                Originally posted by Jordan
                I like the stance
                -Coining hip terms since 10/9/03

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                • Rockinlittle325i
                  Grease Monkey
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 341

                  #38
                  Originally posted by rThor432
                  Off topic........ OP are you in North Carolina?

                  Back on topic. Blunt's first post was right, too much mis-information in those first 5 posts.
                  ya man, I'm right beside carowinds, what about yourself?
                  You have Honda = I talk shit

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                  • Rockinlittle325i
                    Grease Monkey
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 341

                    #39
                    well I know a fello in my area that had a 4.10 and he said it made it like night to day in his car, that and a chip

                    and of course I'm going to make sure the diff is in good working order before I use it,
                    both choices are LSD
                    You have Honda = I talk shit

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                    • rThor432
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 3907

                      #40
                      I'm in the Mt. Island area, on the border of Huntersville/Denver. Always good to know more local guys.

                      Really, as far as the diff goes either will be good for you. I like the 3.73 for the mildly better highway driving. But that's because all of my street driving is highway cruising on I-485.

                      On the track, I've known several people who have run the 4.10 for a couple of seasons and then switched back to the 3.73. They say that initially the acceleration is better, but then they start to feel like they are shifting a bit much. Something like that.

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                      • Julien
                        R3V OG
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 7471

                        #41
                        to the OP, make sure what you are getting into, very easy to get nickled and dimed in an operation like this... make sure everything is complete and that he has spares also... About the diffs, take which ever is a big case lsd, if both are go for the 4,10
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                        • Rockinlittle325i
                          Grease Monkey
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 341

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Julien
                          to the OP, make sure what you are getting into, very easy to get nickled and dimed in an operation like this... make sure everything is complete and that he has spares also... About the diffs, take which ever is a big case lsd, if both are go for the 4,10
                          will do, I plan on making an agreement with him to where I dont have to spend anything,
                          you know to make it an even swap
                          You have Honda = I talk shit

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                          • Rockinlittle325i
                            Grease Monkey
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 341

                            #43
                            Originally posted by rThor432
                            I'm in the Mt. Island area, on the border of Huntersville/Denver. Always good to know more local guys.

                            Really, as far as the diff goes either will be good for you. I like the 3.73 for the mildly better highway driving. But that's because all of my street driving is highway cruising on I-485.

                            On the track, I've known several people who have run the 4.10 for a couple of seasons and then switched back to the 3.73. They say that initially the acceleration is better, but then they start to feel like they are shifting a bit much. Something like that.
                            hey lets see if we cant have a big meet somewhere with all the local e30 guys

                            right now I dont know, a few people have told me different stories, they either love it or utterly hate it,
                            You have Honda = I talk shit

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                            • rThor432
                              No R3VLimiter
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 3907

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Rockinlittle325i
                              hey lets see if we cant have a big meet somewhere with all the local e30 guys

                              right now I dont know, a few people have told me different stories, they either love it or utterly hate it,
                              I work too much to get out to the local meets. I'm too tired and fall asleep driving if I go out late. The next big event I'll be at will be Vintage at the Vineyards. Any guy in NC or the surrounding areas that has a car that can make it will/should be there. That's a nice event for meeting new people.

                              And for what it's worth, owning so many etas spoiled me. I've got a 2.93 in my car now and it pulls great. My 318is, 323i, and 325i all had gearing that bugged me a bit (mostly just the revs on the highway, they were buzzy.. Just the way I am though.

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                              • Rockinlittle325i
                                Grease Monkey
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 341

                                #45
                                OK guys I have big news,
                                I went by the shop today and the e30 in question is a 318is, with a 4.1 lsd
                                I'll have pictures soon,
                                My main question is what do I need to look out for when I drop a M20 motor in it?
                                You have Honda = I talk shit

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