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[Luis325]

Car looks really nice! I want your wheels!
I like the flag!

[JubJub]

I really like your car as well but I can't help but feel like your wheels detract from the car because they look on the big side and aren't time period correct, but thats just me. Otherwise she's purdy.

[87e30]

It all depends on his height and how the rollbar is made. If his seatback is at or behind the rollbar then the safety issue is just retarded (yes I said the R word as it's appropriate).

There must be a way around it, the gt3 rs somehow is a factory car - it doesn't have harnesses but does have collapsable seats. (so it appears, they do bed, even with a roll bar in the back)

[kingston]

some interesting info here: http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f163...ng-risk-70600/

[Mike The Bavarian]

race seats, aren't safe without harness's; harness's aren't safe without race seats. neither of them are safe without a rollbar/cage. a rollbar/cage isn;t safe without a helmet, catch my drift? the safty system is like the human body, each part of it work with each other to become a whole. There's also this saying that a track car makes a shitty street car and a street car makes a shitty track car.

[Asbradley21]

Damn I wish my parents would buy me a roll cage.

[JGood]

Roll bars in street cars is a bad idea. I have a 4 point roll bar in my track car with a fixed back race seat and 6 point harnesses. I make those harnesses as tight as possible when driving on the street, and just hope nothing bad happens. I'd never even consider a roll bar in a street car honestly. I used to have a 6 point cage but removed it because I do still drive it to/from the track, and it was downright deadly with the top tubes nearly touching my head.

With a bolt-in 4 point roll bar, the main hoop sticks down 3-4 inches lower then the roof, directly behind your head. Since it's just a 4 point, if the rear of the car takes a hit and gets pushed in, it's going to tilt the main hoop forward, right into the spot that was occupied by your head, prior to the bar smashing it out of the way.

At least put SFI 45.1 padding on it. Even that stuff is designed to be used with a helmet though, so your chances of survival if your head hits it are slim. That padding will still break bones and crush skulls. But better then with the bare metal. And better then the fucktards that use those pool floats as padding.

Those tubes are strong, but not that strong. This is a race car with a custom built cage, not an off the shelf, bolt-in roll bar. Obviously he was screwed regardless of the bar, but it just shows how they can move and bend.

[Danny]

^no way that guy survived.

[JGood]

^no way that guy survived.

He sure did. IIRC, the bars and roof caved down, pushing his head forward, and his H&NR kept his shoulders back, so he was pinned down in a position that crushed his wind pipe and he couldn't breathe. The corner workers got to him immediately, unstrapped his belts, and resuscitated him. There is a long build thread that documents the car and then the unfortunate accident, I'll see if I can find it.

Not many cages are designed to take a roof-first tree impact at 100mph. It's one of the compromises. Just like running a roll bar on the street. You have the added benefit of the roof being more structural in the case of a rollover, at the expense of added danger of body parts striking it in almost every other type of crash scenario. When fully protected with a helmet and padding, the dangers are minimized. On the street with a t shirt and sideways flat brim, ehh, not so much.


EDIT: Here's the thread:

http://www.motorgeek.com/viewtopic.php?t=16273&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=250

His story is on the page prior to the one I linked to.

[Danny]

Wow what a crash/story.

[JGood]

BTW, Suspence, beautiful car. Love the color. Sorry for jacking up your thread...

[Suspence]

No worries, I'm just scared to drive my car now... hah

With my roll cage I plan padding a ton of it, but now I'm 2nd guessing...

[Farbin Kaiber]

Don't put in a cage. Buy a $500 roller and start building a track only car.



Just, for the record, know I wasn't being a forum asshole, I was being serious about safety. Your safety specifically, so it shows I must care a little, to have taken the time to get the r3v collective to show you what could happen.

[87e30]

Don't put in a cage. Buy a $500 roller and start building a track only car.



Just, for the record, know I wasn't being a forum asshole, I was being serious about safety. Your safety specifically, so it shows I must care a little, to have taken the time to get the r3v collective to show you what could happen.

I appreciate this as well. I was skeptical but after all this I wouldn't put a cage or roll bar in a non track car. Which means no fixed backs in a non tracked car. Somewhat unfortunate but good to know.

Are there are any pictures/details of straight roll bars/fixed-back/harness hurting people?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Serious, transporting half a playground in the cabin to go get a Tastykake is a bad idea, but having that same playground at Buttonwillow with the correct seats, belts and helmet is the difference in walking away from a crash, or rolling out in a wheelchair after nine months in Physical Therapy.