Hartge h26 project.....the long road:) Oct 2014 begins:)

[bradnic]

pic is of rear wheel of staggered set.....front is pictured earlier in thread...
...front & rear centers look cosmetically the same, but are completely different.

makes sense. can you share front and rear width and offset info on your 3 piece Hartges?

[2002jm]

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.........what's up....no valance pics yet?

Well, we just sold our house and bought one this week, so it will be the end of May before I can get to the front valance(spoiler) Here are some pics for fun:)




Oh, one more project for later:)

[2002jm]

Question on the hartge h26???

This might not be the best place to ask this question, but does anyone know how many of the h26 cars were built by Hartge and then how many might have been built at authorized dealers such as Kohl Automotive???
I am thinking there can't be many; it would be pretty expensive to buy the car and then have all the major systems taken out and tossed to make room for the hartge parts:)
jm

[_kanon]

No idea about Kohl but I can tell you about the wheels I found

I was scrounging eBay UK and .de for a long time to see if I could find a set internationally. I got lucky and found them on the UK site and I instantly offered the full asking price + 100 pounds (125$) extra. Then I figured I'd just buy them instead and try to convince the seller to ship them. So I did that haha. Initially he was like "why did you buy them and screw up by listing" but after checking around, we were able to ship them for about 300 pounds. There were some issues initially because DHL wouldn't take them with full inflated tires. So after two weeks of delays and hassle with the shipping company, they were shipped via DHL express air on Thursday. Got them this Saturday (crazy fast shipping). The total price was 1750 for all four including tires that have about 90 and 80% tread!! :)

looking for the front emblem and steering wheel now...

[2002jm]

:)

No idea about Kohl but I can tell you about the wheels I found

I was scrounging eBay UK and .de for a long time to see if I could find a set internationally. I got lucky and found them on the UK site and I instantly offered the full asking price + 100 pounds (125$) extra. Then I figured I'd just buy them instead and try to convince the seller to ship them. So I did that haha. Initially he was like "why did you buy them and screw up by listing" but after checking around, we were able to ship them for about 300 pounds. There were some issues initially because DHL wouldn't take them with full inflated tires. So after two weeks of delays and hassle with the shipping company, they were shipped via DHL express air on Thursday. Got them this Saturday (crazy fast shipping). The total price was 1750 for all four including tires that have about 90 and 80% tread!! :)

looking for the front emblem and steering wheel now...

That is great, and it shows those who are looking for the 16 wheels what it might take to get them:). I will have a set of 15" for sale pretty soon.. Sure would like to get some decent cash for them, but we shall see about that.
The hartge is sort-of on hold for a few weeks, while we move. We have a really low curb, or high curb in our driveway, and I am not taking the chance of messing up the front spoiler.
So when we get over to the new house in about 3 weeks, I will begin the process of the painting etc. to get the spoiler on....of course someday everything will come back off to have the car really painted correctly. Stripes will go on in June:)
until then.........packing and more packing......:)

[_kanon]

How's the rep front valance? Does it come primer-ed? and do you need to drill your own holes I'm assuming?

I'm thinking of doing a tribute still ... but not restricting myself strictly to a complete replica. I think in the end I'd really like to get 250whp out of the car but that's exceedingly difficult with a n/a m20 - and I bought that darn valve cover (lol curse my impulsiveness) So now I'm thinking of eventually (key word) building a metric mechanic 2900 m20 or something. In long run - spending 20k on a e30 seems pretty ridiculous but hey we're in it for the experience right :) I'd rather have built something myself for 20k than buy whatever econobox is out there right now ::thumbs::

Can't wait to see more progress with your car. It drives me to keep chugging away and not give up on mine haha:up:

[2002jm]

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How's the rep front valance? Does it come primer-ed? and do you need to drill your own holes I'm assuming?

I'm thinking of doing a tribute still ... but not restricting myself strictly to a complete replica. I think in the end I'd really like to get 250whp out of the car but that's exceedingly difficult with a n/a m20 - and I bought that darn valve cover (lol curse my impulsiveness) So now I'm thinking of eventually (key word) building a metric mechanic 2900 m20 or something. In long run - spending 20k on a e30 seems pretty ridiculous but hey we're in it for the experience right :) I'd rather have built something myself for 20k than buy whatever econobox is out there right now ::thumbs::

Can't wait to see more progress with your car. It drives me to keep chugging away and not give up on mine haha:up:

Hi: The valance is primed, need to use 3-M tape. I am going to try not to use holes, but we will see how that works:).
250hp might be hard to get, but there are more people on here that know more about engines....mine is suppose to have 193, but that is with pistons, crank, head work, headers, and maybe some intake work. I can't tell if the intake has been worked on by hartge. I did find one on German e-bay that was a real hartge intake....guy wanted 500 euros:)....I think if you are keeping the car for a long time and enjoy it as a dd, then it is taking the place of a 20k econobox then you have not spent anymore money. If you sell it, expect to get half of what you spent:).

My car is on hold until the end of May because of the move....:)
jm

[_kanon]

Hi: The valance is primed, need to use 3-M tape. I am going to try not to use holes, but we will see how that works:).
250hp might be hard to get, but there are more people on here that know more about engines....mine is suppose to have 193, but that is with pistons, crank, head work, headers, and maybe some intake work. I can't tell if the intake has been worked on by hartge. I did find one on German e-bay that was a real hartge intake....guy wanted 500 euros:)....I think if you are keeping the car for a long time and enjoy it as a dd, then it is taking the place of a 20k econobox then you have not spent anymore money. If you sell it, expect to get half of what you spent:).

My car is on hold until the end of May because of the move....:)
jm

I'm patiently waiting to see yours finished :)

I know 190-200 whp is achievable with good headwork, pistons, crank, etc - not sure if I really need more than that actually. Part of me really wants to be able to keep up with the newer cars of today but I remind myself I just daily drive and don't race haha. 190-200whp should be more than enough to have a lot of fun with the car. If I want something stronger I'll go find an e28 to build :) Speaking of which... the hartge e28 was beautiful too :D

All of the original hartge pieces in germany are $$$$$$$$$$$ makes me want to cry a little.

[Bimmer_man]

If Hartge touched your headthere should be a stamp similar to where and how BimmerHeads stamps the heads they work on. If you see the stamp then you have a Hartge tuned head if not then it's a bmw base head. Not exactly sure where it would be. Maybe Raul would know exactly.

Also to get about 250hp out of an m20 you'd need to do quite a bit of head work. A 288 or a 304 cam with 2mm oversized intake valves. An itb set up. Your bottom end would have to be around a 2.9 to a 3.1 stroker with I think 11:1 pistons. Even after all of that you may not hit the 250hp. RHD in Australia has a 293 hp na m20.

[2002jm]

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If Hartge touched your headthere should be a stamp similar to where and how BimmerHeads stamps the heads they work on. If you see the stamp then you have a Hartge tuned head if not then it's a bmw base head. Not exactly sure where it would be. Maybe Raul would know exactly.

Yes, my h26 has the 'hartge" stamp on the head and right below it the symbols 'h-26'.
It says 2.7 on the block, so I am thinking they did something to the crank that is not stock.
Might have a hartge cam in it, but I will check that out when I do the valve adj. in a week or two.
You find the hartge stamp on the intake side of the head in the front half of the head. Hard to see unless you have a clean head....
thanks for the post, good info. down below here.
jm

Also to get about 250hp out of an m20 you'd need to do quite a bit of head work. A 288 or a 304 cam with 2mm oversized intake valves. An itb set up. Your bottom end would have to be around a 2.9 to a 3.1 stroker with I think 11:1 pistons. Even after all of that you may not hit the 250hp. RHD in Australia has a 293 hp na m20.

[Bimmer_man]

That's awesome man. I'm so jealous of that I'd love to have a full true Hartge car.

[_kanon]

Thanks for the heads up :) I have a basic idea of what I need....

Really waiting for Levent to get those side skirts made - I feel like it finishes the look. Have the front valance super low on it's own throws it off just a tad I think.

[2002jm]

thanks

That's awesome man. I'm so jealous of that I'd love to have a full true Hartge car.

thanks for the comment. I am enjoying just driving it for now. Will get back to more fun once we move. Was fun to see the hartge sticker from Kohl Automotive on the oil cooler and the headers have the hartge tag....at one time it had a bunch of hartge parts that I have had to find over the past 6 months.
Just have a few more to find!!:)
jm

[_kanon]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-3-Series-4-Door-Sedan-/201342104233?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee0ecb2a9&item=201342104233

Check this out! Hartge accessorized from the UK.
-RHD
-emblems, exhaust, suspension, 15" rims

Honestly I'm most jealous of the seats - I believe they are real e30 recaro's - not the sport seats everybody confuses them with. The color combo is money! That whole interior is so hard to find....i'd almost want to buy the car just to swap it out and resell the car!

[bradnic]

Clean car but the interior is not at all special. Only Hartge bits I see are emblems exhaust tip and 1 piece wheels unless I missed something. Even has regular non AC front valance and no IS lip.