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    #46
    Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
    What the fuck? I am an American who holds the values of our Founding Fathers. What makes you assume I'm a "stoner"?
    Our founding fathers said that every person is created equal. The capitalist establishment does not allow every person to be equal. In a capitalist society the low income earners are just as important as the high income earners. So why can't the multi-millionaires be decent human beings and provide basic services to these people? Does it make you feel good that people are starving? Does it make you feel good that people are dying because they don't have access to healthcare?

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      #47
      Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber View Post
      All we do is pay taxes in LA County. It's like breathing. You should see the tax rates on our energy usage. It cost me $1.37 for the air used while breathing during the typing of this post.

      Next Jan, I believe it goes to 10.25% in LA County.
      I hear that

      Just looked it up

      From the city:
      Gas Bill: 6% tax on usage
      Energy Bill: 6% on usage


      Simliar taxes from the state, and I also get tazxed on my cable bill from the state and city as well..

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        #48
        Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
        Our founding fathers said that every person is created equal. The capitalist establishment does not allow every person to be equal. In a capitalist society the low income earners are just as important as the high income earners. So why can't the multi-millionaires be decent human beings and provide basic services to these people? Does it make you feel good that people are starving? Does it make you feel good that people are dying because they don't have access to healthcare?
        Because people worked hard for their money.

        Everyone is created equal in the eyes of our founding fathers, which means everyone has an equal ability to become top-tier earners.

        It's not the role or duty of the rich to provide for the poor, they worked for their money, and so can the poor. While it would be a nice thing for rich people to help out the poor, the fact is there are alot of poor people who go out and squander all of their money on drugs and addictions and the money would be better spent on privatized treatment systems then on bloated government spending projects that yield zero results.
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          #49
          Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
          Does it make you feel good that people are dying because they don't have access to healthcare?

          No, but I feel about the same as I do about all those Medical industry workers who will lose their job due to the shifting of the system, and think it's unfair for them to spend 200k+ on school, and honing their talents to end up at the end of the day making what the guy who fixes streetlights and got a GED makes because it's what you see as the fit solution.


          Survival of the fittest, not let's all get along and share our bills.

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            #50
            Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
            Would you like some cheese with that wine? Obama has actually lowered taxes for the middle and lower classes. Bush on the other hand only lowered taxes for the upper class. Now if you make enough money to be a part of the upper class, then tell me why the hell it is such a big deal that you have a few less dollars in your pocket? Jesus Christ people, there is more to life then money. I don't understand why people are so goddamn selfish with their money. I would gladly sacrifice some of my money just for the peace of mind that comes with knowing every person in this country has access to proper healthcare, education, food, etc. God you are a fucking prick.

            Also, anybody that takes O'Reilley, Hannity and even Olbermann seriously needs to get their fucking head checked. Every single one of the cable news networks is biased in some way. It's all about making advertising money. Oh and look, theres that "money" word again. Shit, humanity would be better off without it.
            Bush cut taxes for those making 32,500 a year or more.

            Obama is going to allow those cuts to expire next year.

            In addition to that, he is going to have to come up with the money to pay for his unprecedented spending and even if he taxes the top 2% of "the rich" at 100%, it will still fall way short of paying for his spending.

            Yeah, Obama's throwing out a $10.00 a week bone now, but next year and the years after is when the big hits start coming.

            Feel free to donate as much of your time and income to whatever socialist agenda Obama is pushing.

            I would prefer not to have nearly 50% of my earnings taken away from me under the threat of imprisonment.

            That's not being selfish. It's called being not ignorant and not handing money over to a community organizer who has no clue about economics.
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              #51
              Where was all your outrage the past 8 years when W led the biggest growth in the US government in history, to say nothing of the off-the-chart intrusion into your privacy?

              Political discussion in the country is all about "my team" vs. "your team." The actual position, policy and merit of issues is irrelevant. Republicans in power: deficits are good. Democrats in power: deficits are bad. The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.

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                #52
                Originally posted by 318idol View Post
                Where was all your outrage the past 8 years when W led the biggest growth in the US government in history, to say nothing of the off-the-chart intrusion into your privacy?

                Political discussion in the country is all about "my team" vs. "your team." The actual position, policy and merit of issues is irrelevant. Republicans in power: deficits are good. Democrats in power: deficits are bad. The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.
                what, were you asleep or something?

                there was plenty of outrage. Bush holds the record for the lowest approval ratings in US presidential history. There was a lot of critisism from both sides over his balooning deficits, but it doesn't even hold a candle compared to what the government is doing now. I mean, 2 trillion dollars? I can't even visualize how much money that is.
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by 318idol View Post
                  Where was all your outrage the past 8 years when W led the biggest growth in the US government in history, to say nothing of the off-the-chart intrusion into your privacy?

                  Political discussion in the country is all about "my team" vs. "your team." The actual position, policy and merit of issues is irrelevant. Republicans in power: deficits are good. Democrats in power: deficits are bad. The hypocrisy on both sides is mind-boggling.
                  Well considering not much of anything can be done without an uprising/revolt/revolution all people have done is bitch and moan, its getting to the point where people are pissed off enough to start riots and shit though, should be a fun 15 year depression
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                    #54
                    nah, it'll be over sooner than that. But very few people remember being through a recession this bad. the 70's and early 80's were just as awful. at least we don't have stagflation.
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by nando View Post
                      I can't even visualize how much money that is.
                      Here, this should help:

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                        #56
                        Here is one trillion...



                        Hey libtards, keep blaming Bush all you want but the fact is you wanted change. Change would MEAN NOT SPENDING MORE MONEY correct?

                        Obama's tax cuts are a joke and will NOT have any affect, in fact will make things worse, after the Bush tax cuts run out on us next year. So get your facts straight. $13 a week puts in a quarter tank of gas in my M5 :D Gee thanks Mr. Obama, now can I have my other 200/week I pay in taxes back?

                        And every homeless or "poor" person made a choice to get into that position. For every "poor me" story there is 10 "Look at me stories" so shut the fuck up with that non-sense. My Dad's father died when he was 8. My Grandma was a useless care provider for my Dad growing up and could have turned out to be a shit-head living off the government. Instead, he worked hard and worked for HP cleaning shit up for his first 10 years there. He ended up working for a total of 25 years there as a Line supervisor (nothing special really) when they laid him off. Again he could have become a fucking loser and suck the government dry. Instead, he went back to school, and 2 years later he was a pharmacy tech. Again, nothing special to brag about, but at least he kept working hard and kept earning a living for our family.

                        So yes, FUCK ALL of those lazy "poor me" lazy shitheads out there and NO I don't feel bad for those who are hungry don't have access to healthcare. You all made the choice to be where you're at. Deal with it and go strip and give me lap dances.

                        I don't give a shit if I seem heartless, but the fact is, I give and give and give BECAUSE I WORK. My money is currently helping that fucking twat with 4 kids by the age of 18 feed their little mouths. My money is being given to that alcoholic who can't hold a job so he can go buy booze. My money is going into that illegal immigrant's mattress so he can run a red light and kill a good friend of mine and then get free medical care.

                        I fucking hope there is a revolution because I will be on the front lines.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
                          Our founding fathers said that every person is created equal. The capitalist establishment does not allow every person to be equal. In a capitalist society the low income earners are just as important as the high income earners. So why can't the multi-millionaires be decent human beings and provide basic services to these people? Does it make you feel good that people are starving? Does it make you feel good that people are dying because they don't have access to healthcare?
                          Created equal. And we are. That statement is in reference to your humanity, your right to life and freedom and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn't mean that we are equal in every way, we are not automatons or computers. We are people, we are all different and we all have different talents and abilities. To expect that everybody gets exactly the same results is misguided. Every single person in this country has the same opportunity to succeed. Some do, some don't. That's the way it is.


                          I don't know how to word this so you will understand it Holmes, but I'll try. It is unethical, it is unfair, and it is damaging to everybody, when a minority group is singled out and punished for being what they are or having what they have. In this case, it's money. YOUR selfishness, YOUR desires for the easy life, YOUR petty jealousy, is what makes this kind of rape OK in your eyes. It is obviously grossly unfair that THEY have money, and YOU don't. THEY obviously stole that money from some poor working stiff, so WE should force them to give it up. What a crock. It's legalized stealing, nothing more. Trust me on this, if you let rich people keep more of their own money, I guarantee you we will ALL be better off and the truly poor and disabled will get MORE help than they do now.

                          Holmes, you always accuse all of us who speak with logic and knowledge as being the mind washed puppets of conservative pundits and FOX news. Think about this, everything you post here might as well have come directly out of CNN's scripts. If anybody here is brainwashed, it is you. This video is direct proof of how horribly biased, unethical, and fabricated CNN news is. MSNBC and the networks are just about as bad or worse. I won't blame you though. It's obvious that you don't have the capacity to sort the chaff from the wheat.
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                            #58
                            Yesterday, hundreds of thousands of people gathered and protested peacefully.

                            Not one arrest was made that I know of. No property was destroyed either that I know of.

                            Had either occurred, it would have been front page news.

                            Yet the MSM responded by either ignoring/minimizing the event and even ridiculing it with crude, sophomoric jokes about "teabagging" as evidenced by Anderson Cooper of CNN and numerous others at MSNBC

                            And now, some Democrat from Illinois called the protests "despicable"



                            Imagine that. Hundreds of thousands of people exercising their 1st Amendment rights in a peaceful, non-violent manner unlike the left who usually tie up traffic, smash windows, get arrested, etc... yet the media ridicules this event and at least one elected representative calls it "despicable" for these people to exercise their 1st Amendment rights in a civil manner.

                            Much of the media also decided to make note of the fact that a large percentage of the protesters were white, which they never do when people of color protest in a non-peaceful, uncivilized manner.

                            Earlier in this thread, someone asked me why I was angry.

                            A big part of the reason why I'm angry is that we don't have any balance or integrity in the mainstream media in this country anymore and that their behavior and bias is an insult to those that don't march to the beat of their drummer.

                            But the fact that the media gave 78% of their campaign donations to the DNC in the last election cycle and 70% to the DNC since 1990 already proves their inherent bias. It's just insulting to have them behave as if they aren't biased and to demonize and smear people that don't agree with them.
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                              #59
                              Hallen - It is simply amazing, especially being from Oregon, that you actually understand the major fundamental problems our country has embraced. I applaud you sir.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by h0lmes View Post
                                Our founding fathers said that every person is created equal. The capitalist establishment does not allow every person to be equal. In a capitalist society the low income earners are just as important as the high income earners. So why can't the multi-millionaires be decent human beings and provide basic services to these people? Does it make you feel good that people are starving? Does it make you feel good that people are dying because they don't have access to healthcare?
                                Do you even have a clue as to who pays most of the taxes in this country?

                                Feel free to look it up.

                                The top 5% of earners are paying about 90% of the taxes and they also donate much of their income as well.

                                And your false argument about "people dying because they don't have access to healthcare" is utter bullshit.

                                Even illegal aliens have access to healthcare in the US

                                Your ignorance is staggering. It really is. You just repeat nonsense that you hear or read on some far-left media outlet and parrot it without even thinking or researching it.
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