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  • Aptyp
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    • Feb 2008
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    #271
    Originally posted by Hallen
    And, besides all of that, the fact that the government has absolutely no idea what they are doing here, have no idea of the consequences of the existing bill, and mostly don't even know what is in it, those should be enough clues to know that this health care agenda is bad. And it is an agenda. It isn't about making things better for you and me. It is about winning votes. It is about the democrat's mentality that we Americans cannot take care of ourselves without their help. It is about big government. If you are in favor of big government, crippling taxes, stifled economies, reduced innovation, and the death of the American way, then continue to support your golden boy. He'll take you there and I am sure you will feel all warm and fuzzy about it the whole way.

    I actually agree with this statement. Same way as I felt during Patriot and Liberty Acts. No one read them, everyone threw in extra "pork" and eventually everyone in congress was satisfied. Bad politics regardless of party association.

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    • kishg
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      • Sep 2006
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      #272
      Originally posted by Aptyp
      I actually agree with this statement. Same way as I felt during Patriot and Liberty Acts. No one read them, everyone threw in extra "pork" and eventually everyone in congress was satisfied. Bad politics regardless of party association.
      +1 both parties are guilty of this. only ron paul seems to have integrity on this issue.
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      • Aptyp
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        • Feb 2008
        • 6584

        #273
        ron paul is as guilty. If he was so good, he should have put out Acts on Tape for the rest of degenerates occupying offices.

        ... BUT BIG BREAK IN THE NEWS


        Obama and Big Pharma: Deal or no deal?
        by Jon Brooks

        9 hours ago
        56 Votes

        Health care stories are clicking big in Buzz these days. This week, a series of articles from different sources about one particular skirmish in the overall battle illustrated just what a high-stakes—and fluid—game is being played by everyone at the table.

        The latest flare-up was sparked this week when the LA Times reported the pharmaceutical industry’s top lobbyist, Billy Tauzin, crowing about what Big Pharma had received in return for agreeing to $80 billion in cost savings plus the bankrolling of a pro-reform campaign:

        "Tauzin said he had not only received the White House pledge to forswear Medicare drug price bargaining, but also a separate promise not to pursue another proposal Obama supported during the campaign: importing cheaper drugs from Canada or Europe. Both proposals could cost the industry billions…"

        The next day, the New York Times corroborated the deal:

        "...White House officials...assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion…"

        But then Congress weighed in. From a Bloomberg article titled "Drugmakers may have trouble enforcing deal w/ congress":

        "The bargain U.S. drugmakers struck with President Barack Obama...can’t be enforced on Congress, lawmakers say. Democratic lawmakers...including...Nancy Pelosi and...Henry Waxman have said Congress isn’t bound by the agreements..."

        On Aug 8, the New York Times ran this story, called "Obama Reverses Stand on Drug Industry Deal":

        "Caught between a pivotal industry ally and the protests of Congressional Democrats, the Obama administration...backed away from what drug industry lobbyists had said ...was a firm White House promise to exclude from a proposed health care overhaul the possibility of allowing the government to negotiate lower drug prices under Medicare...Several Senate Democrats said...White House officials had told them there was no such deal, sowing yet more confusion..."

        And on August 9, AP reported just how much support the pharm companies were—apparently still—willing to pony up:

        "The nation's drugmakers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall...a staggering sum that could dwarf attempts to derail his chief domestic priority."

        So is it deal or no deal? The Times reported that people involved in the original negotations said there had been "some ambiguity" in the discussions. Sounds like an understatement.

        In any event, some liberal bloggers on the Huffington Post and Daily Kos are crying foul. And Rep. Bernie Sanders may have summed up suspicions about dealing with the pharmaceutical industry when he said, "The drug companies form the most powerful lobby in Washington. They never lose."

        But the New York Times also reports that although the pharmaceutical industry opposes a public insurance plan—one of Obama's top priorities—"its lobbyists acknowledge privately that they have no intention of fighting it, in part because their agreement with the White House provides them other safeguards." And while longtime health-care reform advocates may see a poison pill in any deal involving the industry, the enrolling of tens of millions of currently uninsured people in new health plans could mean big profits to drug companies while still putting them on the same side as the pro-reform crowd.

        High stakes, lots of buzz, which will only increase when Congress returns from recess.
        We have the best democracy money can buy.

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        • kishg
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          • Sep 2006
          • 2624

          #274
          Originally posted by Aptyp
          ron paul is as guilty. If he was so good, he should have put out Acts on Tape for the rest of degenerates occupying offices.
          ?
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          • Joey Link
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            • Nov 2004
            • 1176

            #275
            Originally posted by kishg
            ?
            +1, wut?

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            • Alkasquawlik
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              • Feb 2008
              • 4557

              #276
              On the topic of illegal immigration, this is just lovely...

              Next year’s census will determine the apportionment of House members and Electoral College votes for each state. To accomplish these vital constitutional purposes, the enumeration should count only citizens and persons who are legal, permanent residents. But it won’t.

              Instead, the U.S. Census Bureau is set to count all persons physically present in the country—including large numbers who are here illegally. The result will unconstitutionally increase the number of representatives in some states and deprive some other states of their rightful political representation. Citizens of “loser” states should be outraged. Yet few are even aware of what’s going on.

              SC*AR

              Originally posted by JamesE30
              And with a car looking like yours I imagine the balance shall tip in the favor of insult, like a big fat fucking retarded fucking black girl on a see-saw, opposite... a dwarf.

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              • kishg
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                • Sep 2006
                • 2624

                #277
                Originally posted by Alkasquawlik
                On the topic of illegal immigration, this is just lovely...



                http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...796281832.html

                the problem there is not with the census. the census quite rightly should account for all persons living regardless of immigration status. the problem is with using that to determine the re-districting. perhaps voter registration should be used instead. btw, that article forgets to mention that legal permanent residents cannot vote in federal elections either (only citizens can) so should the census exclude them too?
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                • Alkasquawlik
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                  • Feb 2008
                  • 4557

                  #278
                  Originally posted by kishg
                  the problem there is not with the census. the census quite rightly should account for all persons living regardless of immigration status. the problem is with using that to determine the re-districting. perhaps voter registration should be used instead. btw, that article forgets to mention that legal permanent residents cannot vote in federal elections either (only citizens can) so should the census exclude them too?
                  I agree with you that the census is there to count how many people are living in a specific area, illegal or legal. But when it comes to using that data to redistrict certain areas, it's just another thing that pisses me off and is unconstitutional.

                  o and btw, it's from the WSJ. You should be proud that it's not one of my other right wing "conspiracy" sources :D

                  SC*AR

                  Originally posted by JamesE30
                  And with a car looking like yours I imagine the balance shall tip in the favor of insult, like a big fat fucking retarded fucking black girl on a see-saw, opposite... a dwarf.

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                  • kishg
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                    • Sep 2006
                    • 2624

                    #279
                    Originally posted by Alkasquawlik

                    o and btw, it's from the WSJ. You should be proud that it's not one of my other right wing "conspiracy" sources :D
                    yes. things are taking a turn for the better i see :)
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                    • Alkasquawlik
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                      • Feb 2008
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                      #280
                      Originally posted by robbieosterman
                      All of Obama's televised apperances, including those town hall meetings are staged. He is basically pitched soft ball pitches from audience members who are told what to ask to make it seem like he knows what he is talking about

                      SC*AR

                      Originally posted by JamesE30
                      And with a car looking like yours I imagine the balance shall tip in the favor of insult, like a big fat fucking retarded fucking black girl on a see-saw, opposite... a dwarf.

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                      • kishg
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                        • Sep 2006
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                        #281
                        Originally posted by robbieosterman

                        what's your point? and how is it even relevant? it amazes me how much drivel becomes "news" these days.
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                        • kishg
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                          • Sep 2006
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                          #282
                          Originally posted by Alkasquawlik
                          All of Obama's televised apperances, including those town hall meetings are staged. He is basically pitched soft ball pitches from audience members who are told what to ask to make it seem like he knows what he is talking about
                          kinda like bush's press conferences then?
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                          • Alkasquawlik
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                            • Feb 2008
                            • 4557

                            #283
                            Originally posted by kishg
                            kinda like bush's press conferences then?
                            The argument that "but but but but Bush did it" has to be one of the most ignorant arguments out there (I'm not calling you ignorant Kish). Bush is NOT the President anymore, so it is irrelevant to bring him into context. Two wrongs do not make a right. Regardless if Bush did it or not, Obama shouldn't be, but that's too much to hope for from our current Julius Ceasar.
                            Honestly, when people forget about Bush, and Obama and his supporters have nothing to fall back on, he is going to be in some serious shit. He will have absolutely no excuses to justify what he is doing, that goes for all of his policies and tactics, not just this minor one

                            SC*AR

                            Originally posted by JamesE30
                            And with a car looking like yours I imagine the balance shall tip in the favor of insult, like a big fat fucking retarded fucking black girl on a see-saw, opposite... a dwarf.

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                            • Alkasquawlik
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                              • Feb 2008
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                              #284
                              Originally posted by nickpdx
                              exactly what i was just about to say. those were just as staged...if not more so...
                              Read my above post.

                              SC*AR

                              Originally posted by JamesE30
                              And with a car looking like yours I imagine the balance shall tip in the favor of insult, like a big fat fucking retarded fucking black girl on a see-saw, opposite... a dwarf.

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                              • kishg
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                                • Sep 2006
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                                #285
                                Originally posted by Alkasquawlik
                                The argument that "but but but but Bush did it" has to be one of the most ignorant arguments out there (I'm not calling you ignorant Kish). Bush is NOT the President anymore, so it is irrelevant to bring him into context. Two wrongs do not make a right. Regardless if Bush did it or not, Obama shouldn't be, but that's too much to hope for from our current Julius Ceasar.
                                Honestly, when people forget about Bush, and Obama and his supporters have nothing to fall back on, he is going to be in some serious shit. He will have absolutely no excuses to justify what he is doing, that goes for all of his policies and tactics, not just this minor one
                                my point is that they are all politicians, they all spin. what's ignorant or perhaps more accurately naive is to expect any different. the only politician who doesn't seem to spin is ron paul. too bad he would never get voted in as president.
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