Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

[whiltebeitel]

Does it also make sense that there is less risk involved to the perpetrator of the crime in an area where gun control is strict? What if this area neighbors those that allow guns? (DC for example)

There would be little to no change in the likelyhood of the perp being armed with a gun, but a much lower chance of running into the average joe in an alley who could also be packing.

Makes sense to mug those who won't be firing back. It's not like criminals don't travel around to make an illicit profit.

[Erik]

Why do we need guns?

[ACMF74]

Why do we need guns?

here we go

[e30s52]

not a big fan of guns, but your sig is really tight(5 lug?)...


...that is all.

Yes e30 m3 and thank you!

now let me share just one gun story with you. i will set it up for you first. i live in a pretty nice and quiet part of scottsdale (alex/e30s52 can attest to that as he has been to my house). super low crime, nice neighbors, i have forgotten to lock my car and left the windows down ad everything is still there, you get the picture.

well, on the first night i am here after the remodel and i have bought the house, my roommate and i are unloading the last of his stuff from the back of his truck when we here a girl saying loudly "stop.....help me" . we stop and look to see what is going on and see a young couple in the grass accross the street chasing each other. it does not look serious, more like a BF/GF playing pinch and tickle, so we keep unloading the truck.

next load out of the truck she is getting louder, sees us in the driveway and starts to head accross the street to my drive way saying again "help me please!" i can see by the look on her face that something is up. she asks me to help her and explains that her BF is roughing her up and they are fighting. now i am thinking "super, why am i getting drawn into this????"

now the BF is in my carport too and my well trained 130lb rotti is outside and brisseling at this kid so i grab his collar and restrain him. the BF tells her that " we don't need to bother them with our problems" then grabs her by the arm and starta to pull her away. she resists and starts to cry. she then tells me that she is 18 and he is 1 then the BF tells me that she is preggers and wants to have an abortion, but he does not want that and wants to "talk care of my 1st baby!" she then interjects with" but i am too young and so are you, i am just not ready to be a mom" (amazing right?). the dog is getting more agitated at things so i tell my roommate to watch them, i am putting the dog up and getting my phone to call 911.

i go inside grab my phone and my XX XXX 40 cal and slip it into the waist in the back of my shorts and put my shirt over it. i then call 911 and tell them that there is a domestic call involvikg a minor that has walkwd into my driveway and would they please send someone out to deal with it ASAP! i also tell them that i havew a CCW and a XX XXX 40 cal on me in my waist on my back and to advise the officers as such.......ok done!

i return to the carport to a VERY agitated BF argueing with the GF and pulling on her arm and a confused roommate. i tell the roommate that the cops are on the way and then step infront of him and lift the back of my shirt to show him the gun.

at this point i tell the BF to calm down and leave her alone, but do not leave, the police have been called and are on the way. he then turns to her and says " bitch look what you have caused!" and raises his fist to strike her. (now i know that i am going to have issues if i actually do anything to him because he is a minor and at the time i was 34, this is why i grabbed the gun in the first place).
i then pull the gun from my waist; so he can see it without actually pointing it at him; and tell him "don't fucking do that! sit the fuck down on the ground and shut the fuck up!"
one minuite later the cops show up. as the 1st cop is walking up the driveway, i tell him that i called 911 and i have a gun, then place it on the hood of my car for the officers piece of mind. now 2 other cars roll up and there is 6 cops at my house. they seperate the BF/GF and start to take statements. i reholster my gun and begin to give my statement.

as it turns out the girl lived in west phx by her young mexican BF. he knocked her up and the parents sent her to live with her aunt in nice quiet scottsdale. the stupid aunt let the BF move in with them against the girl's parents wishes. when the police brought up harboring a minor and statutory rape charges against the GF. she decided to send him packing witha trash bag of crap to the bus stop.

nothing ever happened to me other than the girl thanking me and the aunt appologising to me for what had happened.

i carry a gun, i used that gun properly for the situation, noone was hurt alls well that ends well.

things can happen at the most unsupecting times, in the most unsuspecting places. being prepaired is the key to handling things correctly, both physically and mentally

You live in one of the nicest parts of town. I on the other hand live in the shit hole of arizona. If I left my car windows open it would be gone in 15 minutes easy.

Why do we need guns?

Why dont we need guns?

They are fun and a hooby just like cars.

[wildstoats]

Does it also make sense that there is less risk involved to the perpetrator of the crime in an area where gun control is strict? What if this area neighbors those that allow guns? (DC for example)

There would be little to no change in the likelyhood of the perp being armed with a gun, but a much lower chance of running into the average joe in an alley who could also be packing.

Makes sense to mug those who won't be firing back. It's not like criminals don't travel around to make an illicit profit.

I see your point. I guess the question I have would be what are the criminals motivations to commit crime. Would the possibility of someone having a gun actually deter them or would they just not care? Obviously any sane person would think twice but criminals aren't the brightest crayons in the box to begin with. What I am trying to say is that I don't have the answer to that one. All these anecdotes and conjecture is fine and all but I don't think it is even worth discussing without some facts ITT. And honestly I have better things to do than look for them right now so I guess I will just see myself out.

[whiltebeitel]

Thanks for the response.

And the auto mortality rate is around 37,000 in 2008. Looks like we should ban those enviroment-destroying death machines, too. ;)

[Pinepig]

I don't have any solid evidence one way or the other but I'm sick of people making this argument without supporting it properly.

Author, John Lott ( an anti gun person before he did his research )
Title, More guns, less crime

Some of us have read it, there is your support, please give it a read as it sounds like you are on the fence looking for info.

[decay]

Well that all depends on the situation and the distance now doesn't it? If the person with the knife is less than 20 feet away and you haven't drawn yet you would be in for a world of hurt. Just saying.

people can leverage the element of surprise/readiness no matter what you (or they) are carrying- that is neither an argument for or against firearms.

[Erik]

They are fun and a hooby just like cars.

Ok is killing is a hobby too? All I ask is for more MUCH more gun control... It's WAY too easy to get one.

Thanks for the response.

And the auto mortality rate is around 37,000 in 2008. Looks like we should ban those enviroment-destroying death machines, too. ;)

Again with the fact that we will let anyone drive... Who is allowed to drive should be scrutinized much more precisely.

[Pinepig]

Ok is killing is a hobby too? All I ask is for more MUCH more gun control... It's WAY too easy to get one.

Really, I have well over a dozen, if I want to buy another one I have a 10 day waiting period for " cooling off " , come on now WTF.

Mine haven't killed any people yet, decimated ground squirrels yes, people nope.

All I ask for is that folks pull their heads out of their asses before they post, looks like I'm getting that one as much as you are getting MUCH more gun control.

[Jean]

now the BF is in my carport too and my well trained 130lb rotti is outside and brisseling at this kid so i grab his collar and restrain him. the BF tells her that " we don't need to bother them with our problems" then grabs her by the arm and starta to pull her away. she resists and starts to cry. she then tells me that she is 18 and he is 1 then the BF tells me that she is preggers and wants to have an abortion, but he does not want that and wants to "talk care of my 1st baby!" she then interjects with" but i am too young and so are you, i am just not ready to be a mom" (amazing right?).

great story, and you did right.

[e30s52]

Ok is killing is a hobby too? All I ask is for more MUCH more gun control... It's WAY too easy to get one.

Yes it is, I go hunting as in I ethier use a rifle or a crossbow. A car can kill someone too you know. Should we ban those to?

[Jean]

It's not like criminals care about gun laws.... they already have them or will get them as they do now, with disregard to the law. Now, make it illegal for people to get the guns legally for their own protection and what do you get?

criminals 1
citizens 0

[Erik]

Yes it is, I go hunting as in I ethier use a rifle or a crossbow. A car can kill someone too you know. Should we ban those to?

I have no problem with rifles if they are used for professional purposes. There is NO REASON what so ever that we need hand guns.

It's not like criminals care about gun laws.... they already have them or will get them as they do now, with disregard to the law. Now, make it illegal for people to get the guns legally for their own protection and what do you get?

criminals 1
citizens 0

Protection from what?! Other people with guns?

[e30s52]

I have no problem with rifles if they are used for professional purposes. There is NO REASON what so ever that we need hand guns.

I carry both when hunting. I would like somthing else besides a bolt action rifle when ethier a bear or mountain lion comes around and who says I have never used my hand gun when I go hunting. I would rather put it out of its suffering then let it die a slow death.