911 Funnies

[Aptyp]

[Old'n'Slow]

Would you morons just shut up already???????

I can out fiddle you any day.

[Old'n'Slow]

moron being the key word here. i seriously wonder what your lives are really like.

Quit acting like Mr. Nice Guy. I can out-fiddle you too.

[blunttech]

Quit acting like Mr. Nice Guy. I can out-fiddle you too.

if you mean in the creepy uncle "fiddle about" type of way there was never any doubt
and im insulted that you thought i was in anyway trying to be a nice guy. i will step it up now

[E88 Owner...But E30 Fan]

Had the nerve? Ok let me say this. Skyscrapers weigh a lot...we all know this. When a plane impacts 9 floors of a building, or even 6, the building's structural integrity is severly weakend. The way the WTC towers were designed was with a central core shaft and the outside surfaces of the building taking most of the weight. When the planes impacted they created very large holes in the side of the buildings, where did the weight of the upper part of the buildings go? I was redistributed. This meant that all sections of the buildings now had far more tonnage on them. The building was designed to deal with this. That is why they didnt collaspe immediately.

Now then, back to my main point in the matter. The fireproffing on many floors was stripped off, this made the already weakedned due to impact damage and increased load buildings even more subceptable to the heat of a fire. Fair enough the fuel atomized, but it still ignited blazes throughout the building.

And now its back to the trellis desgin of the floors. I would imagine that the collaspe started here as it is the only thing that makes sense. When the top of the building began to accelerate it generated great stress at the location on the building that held up the most weight...that would be the base. The increased stress caused the base of the building to fail...not explosives.

But then again my family is only a group of engineers...so what do we know anyway?

[blunttech]

the fact we are even discussing this is ridiculous. i wonder if those columns were wrapped in blue painters tape if they would have held up better?

[Ral]

Dear God, this is painful to watch, and nothing you "Truthers" have said has made the slightest bit of sense. What you're failing to notice here is that no single structural failure event happens in a vaccuum. The plane hits 6 floors, with the force of the impact ripping apart reinforcements within the structure and placing huge loads on the skeletal structure itself. This alone might not have been enough to topple the floors, but the atomized fuel would then ignite and burn, with much more intensity than flaming piles of jet fuel. If anything, the atomization of burning fuel increased the amount of structural damage. Jet fuel burns at a certain temperature, which then causes huge pressure changes across the floors. While you might not think that simple pressure changes could be as destructive as the physical aircraft impact, keep in mind that it is exactly these kind of pressure changes that are responsible for upwards of 90% of damage caused by an explosion, i.e. bomb/weapon. Lastly, keep in mind that these events don't happen simultaneously, or instantaneously, and many of them would have had a certain frequency response related to them. (for example, the plane hits- steel bends one way. It springs back- steel now has to resist the other way. Or, Pressure expands the floors outward-pressure releases and expands the floor inward. Yes, it's a real effect and is counted on in weapons design. How much it had an effect here, I don't know.) This, combined with the weakened state of the steel from the intense heat generated by the burning fireball of jet fuel, could have caused enough fatigue in the steel to allow one floor to collapse. The impulse from the floor collapsing would almost certainly been enough to collapse an already damaged floor beneath it, which would have doubled the impulse on the stronger floor above it. This continues, creating the "pancake" effect you saw.

And as for the designers saying they did the math to make sure it wouldn't happen, Math is an approximation of reality. There is no way they could have taken into account every variable, every exact temperature, every possible resonant frequency, etc. that occurred in the towers. And simply because it was "designed" to withstand such a theoretical impact does not mean it was tested. Given the conflicting design requirements that go into a building like this, I'm sure Jihad via 757 resistance was studied but put on a back burner.

This is not to say the math they did was wrong, or that the engineers lied. But, it's much easier to say "it should not have failed, we did the math" instead of "uuhhhhhhh... we didn't think it could happen." Simply that, in the real world, how structures behave is often much different than what is simulated mathematically. To say otherwise is to say entire industries are unnecessary. There's test pilots, operational testers, even the UL laboratories for exactly this reason.

[chadthestampede]

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[Good & Tight]

You "engineers" are all the same,you think whats written on paper is always correct than real life.

[e30-RTN]

God job, Ral....You have debunked ONE aspect of the scam....Now on to other thoughts.


Why was there intense heat being scanned from under the rubble for WEEKS to follow. Does steel+jet fuel stay red hot for days?

Why did a 3rd trade center building go down that day?

Where is the debris from the pentagon?
Why wont they let us view the only tape from the pentagon crash?
Why is there a perfect hole in the side of the pentagon?

Where did the gold beneath the towers dissapear?
Why were their two brinks trucks there removing gold that day?

You can analyze one thing at a time and possibly find an excuse for some of these questions.

But, when you look at the idea as a whole. Look at the outcome.

Look at where 9-11 has taken our country. It should be as clear a cloudless morning to you what happened.

[Aptyp]

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/506141

I know it's just a game, but every level can be won with just single blast. See for yourself.

[Aptyp]

lol, thread got quiet, I can tell you assholes are playing, lol

[Ral]

God job, Ral....You have debunked ONE aspect of the scam....Now on to other thoughts.

Why was there intense heat being scanned from under the rubble for WEEKS to follow. Does steel+jet fuel stay red hot for days?

yes. Think of it in terms of energy, and not simply jet fuel. There was a lot of energy released, much if it in the form of heat. Also, concrete will absorb a lot of heat, and it will stay hot for a very long time.

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Why did a 3rd trade center building go down that day?

don't know for sure in the engineering sense. But, as I said, things don't happen in a vacuum, and there's a lot of very possible explanations.

Where is the debris from the pentagon?
Why wont they let us view the only tape from the pentagon crash?
Why is there a perfect hole in the side of the pentagon?

1. Inside the Pentagon.
2. Same reason they don't let us view a lot of video. Maybe it showed something classified but unrelated. The fact that they aren't releasing a video is not enough for me to go against thousands of witnesses who saw an airplane hit the Pentagon.
3. because the wings would have sheared off, leaving a more or less circular hole in the side of such a reinforced concrete structure. You don't understand physics very well, do you?

Where did the gold beneath the towers dissapear?
Why were their two brinks trucks there removing gold that day?

coincidence? And besides, don't you think they would have moved it a while in advance of the attacks?

You can analyze one thing at a time and possibly find an excuse for some of these questions.

But, when you look at the idea as a whole. Look at the outcome.

Look at where 9-11 has taken our country. It should be as clear a cloudless morning to you what happened.

we have a phrase for what you're doing. It's called "grasping at straws". Grow up and learn to recognize when the facts overwhelmingly support an answer.

And for the record, our country was angry and banded together because we were attacked by ruthless killers who hate the fact that women can get an education, and we have advanced our civilization past the point which stoned people for small offenses, forcefully married off 11 yr olds, cut off people's genitals, and pull people who oppose them apart with horses. And we had every right to be angry with them, and if we hadn't gone after them it would have been an affront to Liberty and those innocent civilians who died that day. The aftermath was mishandled, and possibly misused for political gain, sure. Argue that. But to argue that the initial outrage was politically motivated is to utterly insult everyone who was affected that day, as well as everyone with enough national pride to be offended by an attack on our country.

[Old'n'Slow]

if you mean in the creepy uncle "fiddle about" type of way there was never any doubt
and im insulted that you thought i was in anyway trying to be a nice guy. i will step it up now

Again, he speaks without clue. :-)

Ya know, you do have the ability to absolutely ignore me and my posts...;-)

I love to discuss things and will continue to do so with others who are capable. You've done nothing but slam and demean. If you take offense to what I have posted, you may address me-I welcome it. I do not welcome those whose seeming only manner of expression is defamation.

Actually, forget about it. :-(

I graciously hand over victory to you, the great blunt. You really are the man.



Have a life and buhbye.

[Ral]

You "engineers" are all the same,you think whats written on paper is always correct than real life.

you didn't read the last part of that, did you? Also, nice use of quotations, as if to imply that those of us who have studied engineering for years and apply it daily are not truly engineers because we can recognize what engineering and common sense tells us. Very nicely done.

Clarify, though, the phrase "always correct than real life". Did you mean "more correct than real life?" (notice the correct grammar here.) I won't throw you under the bus because you mis-typed something, but if that is what you were going for, you are completely misunderstanding the points we are making. This happened. It is common knowledge why it happened, with the notable exceptions of a few on this board. We are explaining the physical mechanisms behind why the towers collapsed the way they did with the faint hope that you will recognize that basic physics shows the plane towers were brought down by the planes, and nothing more.