Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties.

[dvs909]

precisely.. i'm not trying to single out any one religion, mu point is that all religions are equally bad when they are not tolerant of other's beliefs and value systems. forcing your beliefs whether through covert acts of violence or terrorism or through more subtle methods such as conversions in poor countries in the name of God is never right imo.

sadly not all relegions are equally bad. christianity it tolerant of everyone. islam is a relegion of hate. did you look up those versus i posted from the quran?

in history when christianity has been forced upon people, it was to gain power, not to try to win they're souls. which shows you that its not the relegion, because they're isn't scripture that encourages those actions. in islam there IS

[M-technik-3]

I don't seem to remember seeing on the news that this was done out of religious martyrdom but more as a suicide and vengeance for being persecuted.

Very sad to see acts like this happen.

[Pinepig]

what I find odd is that he has been recorded as saying extreme remarks by fellow officers, and nothing happened. Here was a man who, in uniform, stated to others in uniform that he thought it acceptable for people to slaughter U.S. soldiers overseas. He stated that the suicide bomber was on par with a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his friends. And yet, he was still in charge of helping and comforting younger, more impressionable soldiers who had their friends killed by suicide bombers.

this event is tragic to be sure, but it represents a failure much larger than just this man who carried out these attacks.

Heads will roll in his command for sure, it's sad that because of some PC bullshit he wasn't hammered on before he went all allah akbar on fellow soldiers.

[Pinepig]

I don't seem to remember seeing on the news that this was done out of religious martyrdom but more as a suicide and vengeance for being persecuted.

I can see how the news could not draw the conclusion that a guy running around shooting folks screaming " allah akbar " would not have anything to do with a religious nutbag.

[LBJefferies]

Do you know fucking anything? the crusades weren't biblically based. the crusades were a tool for those in power to gain wealth and prestige, they thinly vieled it as being a relgious crusade because no man would die in a far away place otherwise. the majority of people in those days were illiterate. so the ability of governments to sway the population with relegion was easy.
it wasnt christianity that started the crusades, it was corrupt people.

And the same can be said of Islam. All major religions, whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and even Islam all have the same central message to treat others well. Unfortunately, in the case of Islam and Christianity this message has been distorted throughout history by immoral people. It is extremely ignorant for you to say that Islam is a religion of hate. You are just plain wrong.

[Emre]

And the same can be said of Islam. All major religions, whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and even Islam all have the same central message to treat others well. Unfortunately, in the case of Islam and Christianity this message has been distorted throughout history by immoral people. It is extremely ignorant for you to say that Islam is a religion of hate. You are just plain wrong.

+1

It's unfair to confuse Wahhabi extremists (who aren't considered mainstream even in the Muslim world) with what Islam is "all about." Just like it would be unfair to confuse the Christian Dark Ages with the "true" message of Christianity. Islam isn't about Jihad any more than Christianity is about the Spanish Inquisition.

At their cores, all the Abrahamic religions are pretty much preaching the same things. And this is coming from a dyed-in-the wool atheist who thinks followers of any religion are kind of silly.

[xlr8rbob]

^^^^^^
thank you. finally some people with a little sense. (fellow atheist)

im saddened by the event, and i hope for the best for survivors and the families who lost loved ones in this tragedy.

[kishg]

+1

it's unfair to confuse wahhabi extremists (who aren't considered mainstream even in the muslim world) with what islam is "all about." just like it would be unfair to confuse the christian dark ages with the "true" message of christianity. Islam isn't about jihad any more than christianity is about the spanish inquisition.

At their cores, all the abrahamic religions are pretty much preaching the same things. And this is coming from a dyed-in-the wool atheist who thinks followers of any religion are kind of silly.

+100..

[ak-]

And the same can be said of Islam. All major religions, whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and even Islam all have the same central message to treat others well. Unfortunately, in the case of Islam and Christianity this message has been distorted throughout history by immoral people. It is extremely ignorant for you to say that Islam is a religion of hate. You are just plain wrong.

+1

It's unfair to confuse Wahhabi extremists (who aren't considered mainstream even in the Muslim world) with what Islam is "all about." Just like it would be unfair to confuse the Christian Dark Ages with the "true" message of Christianity. Islam isn't about Jihad any more than Christianity is about the Spanish Inquisition.

At their cores, all the Abrahamic religions are pretty much preaching the same things. And this is coming from a dyed-in-the wool atheist who thinks followers of any religion are kind of silly.

Look guys, some sense!
I'm not even atheist and I'm agreeing with one.

[ak-]

sadly not all relegions are equally bad. christianity it tolerant of everyone. islam is a relegion of hate. did you look up those versus i posted from the quran?

in history when christianity has been forced upon people, it was to gain power, not to try to win they're souls. which shows you that its not the relegion, because they're isn't scripture that encourages those actions. in islam there IS

And Holy fucking shit I feel sorry for you.

[dvs909]

And Holy fucking shit I feel sorry for you.

for actually knowing what the fuck im talking about and not listening to talking heads on tv? did any of you read the versus a posted from the quran?

also you arnt using a logical argument to refute me. try again.
islam is a relegion of hate. as evidenced by my earlier posts which directly quoted the quran giving the ok to kill non believers.

Christianity doesn't do that.

i'm sorry for you.

[kishg]

Do you know fucking anything? the crusades weren't biblically based. the crusades were a tool for those in power to gain wealth and prestige, they thinly vieled it as being a relgious crusade because no man would die in a far away place otherwise. the majority of people in those days were illiterate. so the ability of governments to sway the population with relegion was easy.
it wasnt christianity that started the crusades, it was corrupt people.

i love getting a rise out of religious zealots..

[dvs909]

+1

It's unfair to confuse Wahhabi extremists (who aren't considered mainstream even in the Muslim world) with what Islam is "all about." Just like it would be unfair to confuse the Christian Dark Ages with the "true" message of Christianity. Islam isn't about Jihad any more than Christianity is about the Spanish Inquisition.

At their cores, all the Abrahamic religions are pretty much preaching the same things. And this is coming from a dyed-in-the wool atheist who thinks followers of any religion are kind of silly.

the six tenants of the Islamic faith are as follows
1.Shahada, a profession of faith that states "there i no other god but allah and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah"
2. Salat, is praying 5 times a day towards mecca.
3.Sawm, is fasting during the daylight hours of the month of Ramadan.
4. Zakat is alms giving
5. Hajj, the pilgrimage to mecca if funds allow.
6. Jihad, is the quranic sanction of holy war as a religious duty to spread Islam.

read quran surah 9:29 as well as quran surah 9:5

NOT A RELEGION OF PEACE. dont be fooled.

[dvs909]

i love getting a rise out of religious zealots..

i love exposing how ignorant you really are.

not a religious zealot. i'm just not ignorant in this area of history.

[Aptyp]

Just as Bush caused 9/11 and hurricanes, Obama caused this... Yeah, I said it.

Come on, conspiracy theorists, get to making shit up...