Vendor Stole My Photo

[speedminded]

sites that host torrent links? they surely have advertisements on them....

1) No. I have never once downloaded a MP3 BUT I have used copied software. Guilty yes and I have no way to justify it. During those times AutoDesk or Adobe never came knocking on my door, if they had then I would be forced to accept the penalty. I personally discovered the infringement of my own work and I started knocking on doors.

2) Regarding torrents, you find it acceptable for someone to make money from advertisers while distributing illegal creative artwork? 404 Logic Not Found. What about the musicians that produced the music or the directors and producers of the movies? Should we disregard their talent? The same goes for software engineers.

[Aptyp]

Who makes money off of torrenting music?

Just to shut you up for a little while:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=152780

Your avatar is someone's intellectual property and it may sway a buyer if they take into account how swell of character you are based on it.

You're also selling a "clone" MarkD chip there... Somehow I "feel" MarkD lost money on that. Again, don't be a hypocrite.



Mr. Photographer, law is on your side... but you sure as hell aren't collecting any check-marks in the great book of life. If I was them, I wouldn't contact your ass either and just go about their business and not deal with you at all.

You kind of remind of that guy Lukas that kept starting shit with Kamotors over ebay sales. I don't remember all details, but he's not around as much.

[daniel]

i'm with speedminded here.

[speedminded]

I just want to understand something... You took a pic of their product on your own free time, not being commissioned to do so, right? So you came home and posted your pics online for the world to enjoy. Owner of the car that you took pics of, probably saw them and most likely kept them, as they're pretty bad-ass. DTMFW saw pics of their product and used them, because, face it, it's their product on their customer's car. Now you're getting your panties in a bunch.

Maybe law will be on your side here, but you're still coming off as a douche. And proof of that, is that fidhlee-do-da agrees with you. Am I right or am I right, r3v?


Seriously, though. Your photography is very impressive, you're very good at what you do. Contact Ari and be above all this nonsense. It would be much better for both sides and maybe it could be your new gig, since you like going to tracks taking pics, you may get more opportunities of taking pics of their products. Maybe get your name on their site and be linked to yours. This would be a good way for you to self-promote and not be a bitter artist-wannabe.

Listening to these dimwhits, you'd think they've never downloaded an mp3 off the internet. Most likely they have, and most likely they don't feel any guilt over it. Don't be such hypocrites.

And I'd still want to know about code on your site... PM me or something.

Until I explicitly sell the rights of a photograph NOBODY, including anyone in the photo or the owner of anything in the photo, has the right to use it in anyway without my permission. That includes printing or reproducing it at home, sending it to a magazine, or to any company. The owner/driver of that car has never contacted me nor has anyone that has used that photo.

Let's face it, the economy sucks and advertising budgets have been cut. Corporations and magazines have resorted more and more to cutting corners and stealing photographs. I read about case after case on near daily basis, some people are in other countries and they are always told to f$%& off. You wouldn't believe the ignorance and bullshit photographers are told from "it was found on the internet so it's public domain" or "it doesn't have a copyright on it so we can legally screen capture it from the flash on your website" to whatever else they can come up with.

Technically I'm not blaming them for taking the photo, it could have been a 15 year old hired to build their website after taking an 8th grade HTML class, and he had to find photos and they didn't even know about it. I have no clue what the case is but I presented it to them in a 100% professional manner putting the ball in their court. I contacted them and I have yet to hear back. I'm not one to beat around the bush.

[Aptyp]

sites that host torrent links? they surely have advertisements on them....

[Wh33lhop]

so you've never downloaded an mp3? or stream an illegal movie?

Who makes money off of torrenting music?

[Aptyp]

so you've never downloaded an mp3? or stream an illegal movie?

[speedminded]

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

lololol! Not familiar with the Bern Convention are you? It's the international protection of creative arts that's been around for over 120 years. The United States didn't join until 1988 creating the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988. Since then photos do not need to be registered nor do they need a watermark on them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works

Regarding the internet, putting creative works on it does not enable fair use nor does it make it public domain. Everyone should familiarize themselves with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. It explicitly protects electronic versions of creative arts: from website design to software to photographs to music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act

[Aptyp]

I just want to understand something... You took a pic of their product on your own free time, not being commissioned to do so, right? So you came home and posted your pics online for the world to enjoy. Owner of the car that you took pics of, probably saw them and most likely kept them, as they're pretty bad-ass. DTMFW saw pics of their product and used them, because, face it, it's their product on their customer's car. Now you're getting your panties in a bunch.

Maybe law will be on your side here, but you're still coming off as a douche. And proof of that, is that fidhlee-do-da agrees with you. Am I right or am I right, r3v?


Seriously, though. Your photography is very impressive, you're very good at what you do. Contact Ari and be above all this nonsense. It would be much better for both sides and maybe it could be your new gig, since you like going to tracks taking pics, you may get more opportunities of taking pics of their products. Maybe get your name on their site and be linked to yours. This would be a good way for you to self-promote and not be a bitter artist-wannabe.

Listening to these dimwhits, you'd think they've never downloaded an mp3 off the internet. Most likely they have, and most likely they don't feel any guilt over it. Don't be such hypocrites.



And I'd still want to know about code on your site... PM me or something.

[Wh33lhop]

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Understood. Registering it will bring punitive damages, the rights are automatically yours.

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

:facepalm:

[Fidhle007]

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

But that's simply not the case. Laws are laws.

[bejbis]

Creative arts hobbyists deal with copyright infringements but professionals don't? *scratches head* Or are you implying because an attorney didn't send the letter and invoice? But yes I am a "hobbyists", if I had an attorney send it then the invoice would have been doubled for their time and I've spent as much time creating this thread as I did writing that letter...saving myself several hundred and learning in the process.

My uncle is a professional photographer and has been for at least 20 years. He doesn't put ANYTHING on the internet unless he wants someone to use it or see it, for free. That or he has already gotten paid for it and the new owner puts it on the internet. I suppose i was more or less saying if you put something on the internet, and it gets 'stolen', its more or less your fault for putting it on the internet in the first place.

[speedminded]

If thats the case, and you want to, take it to the next level. In photography, you can either be a professional, or a hobbyist. If your having to deal with this, your probably the latter. Either way, good luck, your going to need it.

Creative arts hobbyists deal with copyright infringements but professionals don't? *scratches head* Or are you implying because an attorney didn't send the letter and invoice? But yes I am a "hobbyist", if I had an attorney send it then the invoice would have been doubled for their time and I've spent as much time creating this thread as I did writing that letter...saving myself several hundred and learning in the process.

Copyright bullshit is no laughing matter, good luck man! To all of you that think he should have "taken a different path," fuck off and go create something yourself. When you've worked hard on something and are proud of your work and someone takes it for profit, it sucks plain and simple. The best way to go about it is the legal route because like he said, they've already removed the picture and could simply tell him to go pound sand. You kids and your "Free parts OMG WTFBBQ LOLZ" attitude make me sick sometimes...

Thanks! That's why everything was notarized legally proving it existed and exactly when. I fully expected it to get removed even though I never asked them to.

[Fidhle007]

Copyright bullshit is no laughing matter, good luck man! To all of you that think he should have "taken a different path," fuck off and go create something yourself. When you've worked hard on something and are proud of your work and someone takes it for profit, it sucks plain and simple. The best way to go about it is the legal route because like he said, they've already removed the picture and could simply tell him to go pound sand. You kids and your "Free parts OMG WTFBBQ LOLZ" attitude make me sick sometimes...

[speedminded]

If thats the case, and you want to, take it to the next level. In photography, you can either be a professional, or a hobbyist. If your having to deal with this, your probably the latter. Either way, good luck, your going to need it.

Creative arts hobbyists deal with copyright infringements but professionals don't? *scratches head* Or are you implying because an attorney didn't send the letter and invoice? But yes I am a "hobbyist", if I had an attorney send it then the invoice would have been doubled for their time and I've spent as much time creating this thread as I did writing that letter...saving myself several hundred and learning in the process.