Brand new E34 M5 for sale

[Iain]

1) The base model skyline is lightweight, but the desireable GTR is not. The older versions (R32 and R33) weigh about the same as a z32, and the newer versions (R34 and R35) are a good bit heavier.

The R32 GT-R is still a fair bit lighter than the Z32 and its where it is lighter that makes the difference (more weight lower down in the middle of the car, lighter body panels,)

The later Skylines have a lot more equipment and go a lot faster than the Zed. For what is meant to be a RWD sports car it is heavy and full of crap you don't need.

2) Z32's weight up high? Take the T-tops off. That shaves more than 20lbs off the top of the car. The hood is very lightweight. I just don't see how a car that sits so low can have most of its weight up high?? It's not like it's a Landcruiser or something.

The car might look low but there is a lot of crap that you have to remove (which you shouldn't) to get the weight down. Removing the T-tops is great... what about in winter or in the rain? That 20lbs is exactly what I'm talking about - a simple thin sheet of metal would have been a far better choice for a fucking sports car!

3)They handle better than "decently" in stock form. A set of stillen sway bars is all you need to get them to handle very well. One of the most recognized qualities of the z32 twin turbo is the good handling characteristics--especially the high speed handling.

I've driven stock and modded examples and I definitely wouldn't call the stock suspension "decent". Nowhere near it, in fact! Over-servo-assisted steering, rolls and pitches too much when shifting weight, brakes aren't great, too small a tyre contact patch, definitely needs a good LSD fitted...

4) Keep up with the 60k tuneup and purchase a high performance radiator, like I did, and you shouldn't ever have an overheating problem. Unless you track your car on a regular basis, in which case a larger oil cooler and a different oil cooler regulator valve setup is a good investment.[/quote]

[e30s52]

The e34 is a great looking car. I cant wait to get another one. Here is my last one.

[pbr87]

The R32 GT-R is still a fair bit lighter than the Z32 and its where it is lighter that makes the difference (more weight lower down in the middle of the car, lighter body panels,)

The later Skylines have a lot more equipment and go a lot faster than the Zed. For what is meant to be a RWD sports car it is heavy and full of crap you don't need.

It's still a good bit lighter than alot of newer sports coupes.

The car might look low but there is a lot of crap that you have to remove (which you shouldn't) to get the weight down. Removing the T-tops is great... what about in winter or in the rain? That 20lbs is exactly what I'm talking about - a simple thin sheet of metal would have been a far better choice for a fucking sports car!

I never drive mine in the snow, and rarely drive it in the rain. So I wouldn't know. Also, they did offer a slicktop version.

I've driven stock and modded examples and I definitely wouldn't call the stock suspension "decent". Nowhere near it, in fact! Over-servo-assisted steering, rolls and pitches too much when shifting weight, brakes aren't great, too small a tyre contact patch, definitely needs a good LSD fitted...

Just curious....what are you comparing the z32 to?
I know it's no Ferarri, but it's no Crown Vic either. What are you using for a point of comparison? You've got some damn high standards. And regarding the LSD? The stock LSD on the twin turbo models will hold over 800rwhp. There aren't too many other cars with stock LSDs that strong.

[Iain]

Just curious....what are you comparing the z32 to?
I know it's no Ferarri, but it's no Crown Vic either. What are you using for a point of comparison? You've got some damn high standards. And regarding the LSD? The stock LSD on the twin turbo models will hold over 800rwhp. There aren't too many other cars with stock LSDs that strong.

S13/14/15 Nissan Silvias (not K24-powered nuggets), R32-34 Skylines (GT-Rs, GTS-ts), Mk4 Supras, 94-06 STi/WRX Subarus, Mazda MX5s, Honda S2000s, BMW M3s/Z-Ms, even stuff like our local Commodores/Falcons, Nissan Cefiros, Toyota Aristos... all kinds of different cars.

We have access to a lot of very good handling cars out here and our opinions on what makes a good handling cars seems to be a lot higher than what passes for decent in America in my experience.

Also the diff thing - it's not how much horsepower the diff can handle - it's how it locks up on decel or puts the power down. Needs a better, tighter LSD.

[Holland]

I like the look of a small kidney E34, with that said I don't think they are "Beautiful" cars. I like European boxy styling and I think the E34 is great looking. I can understand that to joe blow, it looks like every other BMW, but that is the point. the M5 was always supposed to be a sleeper. Then the E60 came, looks aside it is NO sleeper. I do have a thing for Z32's but I really wouldn't call them "Beautiful" either, they actually look quite funky. More people will say the Z32 over the E34 though because of the 2 door to 4 door thing. 4 door cars aren't really meant to be lookers, 2 door sports cars are supposed to be lookers, pretty or not they grab attention. People will be inclined to say that they like the attention grabber car more, pretty or not, because they look at it more, not the more boring 4 door sedan. Oh, and no one really listens to bimmer_E30 anymore anyway.

[Wh33lhop]

I dig both Z32s and E34 M5s. But comparing them is retarded.

By the way, the 2+2 twin turbos were like 3700lbs, which is really as close as makes no difference to the E34 M5. I know they didn't sell the 2+2TTs here, but it's kind of stupid to compare a 2-seater to a luxury sedan, and quite honestly while I dig Z32TTs I'd take the M5 any day of the week.

[pbr87]

S13/14/15 Nissan Silvias (not K24-powered nuggets), R32-34 Skylines (GT-Rs, GTS-ts), Mk4 Supras, 94-06 STi/WRX Subarus, Mazda MX5s, Honda S2000s, BMW M3s/Z-Ms, even stuff like our local Commodores/Falcons, Nissan Cefiros, Toyota Aristos... all kinds of different cars.

Of the above cars, the only ones that are on par with or better than the Z32 in terms of handling are the Mk4 Supras, M3s and Skylines. Maybe the Z you drove was an N/A? Maybe it was a twin turbo, but badly abused and neglected?

We have access to a lot of very good handling cars out here and our opinions on what makes a good handling cars seems to be a lot higher than what passes for decent in America in my experience.

Also the diff thing - it's not how much horsepower the diff can handle - it's how it locks up on decel or puts the power down. Needs a better, tighter LSD.

How it puts the power down??!?!?!
How can they run 8 and 9sec 1/4 mi. times on a stock diff?
Must be that they can't put the power down

Answer these questions for me.
Why did the Z32 Twin Turbo make it onto the C/D 10 best list for 6 consecutive years?
Why did Grassroots Motorsports feature the Z32 Twin Turbo in their "Affordable Supercars" article? (I beleive it won some award in said article)

Must be because it has numb, overassisted steering, a sloppy, topheavy chassis, and a weak, shitty LSD. ;)

[xwill112x]

pbr87, disregard the bullshit. everyone hating on a 300zx TT, has never driven one.

[pbr87]

I dig both Z32s and E34 M5s. But comparing them is retarded.

By the way, the 2+2 twin turbos were like 3700lbs, which is really as close as makes no difference to the E34 M5. I know they didn't sell the 2+2TTs here, but it's kind of stupid to compare a 2-seater to a luxury sedan, and quite honestly while I dig Z32TTs I'd take the M5 any day of the week.

I didn't mean to kick off such a huge debate. I know the e34 M5 is a sweet car. I know there's no point comparing the two.

Honestly, I got my panties in a twist when bimmer_E30 said that the Z32 was ugly in comparison to the e34, and proceeded to suggest that I smoke crack if I think otherwise. That pissed me off because the attractive body of the Z32 is widely recognized as being one of it's redeeming qualities.

Now, somehow that small tiff has turned into a "let's point out the Z32's shortcomings" discussion. I know it's portly, I know it's hard to work on, I know it sucks in bad weather. But it also has a strong and powerful drivetrain, attractive body, great handling characteristics.

[Iain]

How it puts the power down??!?!?!
How can they run 8 and 9sec 1/4 mi. times on a stock diff?
Must be that they can't put the power down

You don't understand the effect a decent LSD has on handling in corners and under brakes, do you? I don't care about straight line shit, I'm talking about the way the car settles coming into and out of corners.

I know the R230 and R200 Nissan diffs are just about unbreakable - this is one reason I'm putting one in my E30.

Answer these questions for me.
Why did the Z32 Twin Turbo make it onto the C/D 10 best list for 6 consecutive years?
Why did Grassroots Motorsports feature the Z32 Twin Turbo in their "Affordable Supercars" article? (I beleive it won some award in said article)

Must be because it has numb, overassisted steering, a sloppy, topheavy chassis, and a weak, shitty LSD. ;)

Like I said, there are plenty of articles written over there praising the handling of certain cars that get rubbished out here for not stacking up when it comes to handling and steering. With that in mind, I put as much weight in those "wins" as I would in an article written by an Australian on how harsh our winters are (where it gets as cold as -5deg C ooooh frigid!)

Maybe too many of you guys drive Cadillacs or something because we were falling over ourselves laughing when we heard that Americans apparently thought the new-age GTO handled "amazingly well".

pbr87, disregard the bullshit. everyone hating on a 300zx TT, has never driven one.

For the sake of humanity, never breed. Or, better yet, close your mouth and suffocate.

[xwill112x]

Americans apparently thought the new-age GTO handled "amazingly well".

Have you ever driven a new GTO? i KNOW a STOCK example of a LS1 GTO would trounce all over your 250k m20 pile of shit, even in the twistys.

For the sake of humanity, never breed. Or, better yet, close your mouth and suffocate.

you've already lost all your credibility with ignorance. QFT.

[pbr87]

You don't understand the effect a decent LSD has on handling in corners and under brakes, do you? I don't care about straight line shit, I'm talking about the way the car settles coming into and out of corners.

I know the R230 and R200 Nissan diffs are just about unbreakable - this is one reason I'm putting one in my E30.

Dude, you said it doesn't "put power down well". What better test of how well an LSD puts power to the road then a 1/4 mi? Granted, I've never tracked my Z, but at the same time, I've never found the LSD's performance to be in the least bit unsettling on the road.

Like I said, there are plenty of articles written over there praising the handling of certain cars that get rubbished out here for not stacking up when it comes to handling and steering.

C/D is a globally recognized publication. I don't know what you mean by "over there". And GRM is a great magazine. It's certainly unbiased, and the authors certainly know the definition of good handling characteristics.

With that in mind, I put as much weight in those "wins" as I would in an article written by an Australian on how harsh our winters are (where it gets as cold as -5deg C ooooh frigid!)

Maybe too many of you guys drive Cadillacs or something because we were falling over ourselves laughing when we heard that Americans apparently thought the new-age GTO handled "amazingly well".

Actually, speaking of Cadillacs, the new Cadillac CTS is a pretty impressive car IMO. I guess not all of us drive Skyline GTRs, Lotus Elises, M3s, etc. like everyone over in Australia. Oh well.

For the sake of humanity, never breed. Or, better yet, close your mouth and suffocate.

I don't plan on breeding. The thought of having a little version of me running around scares me. I was way too much of a fuck-up between the ages of 16 and 18 to ever want to breed. Close my mouth and suffocate?!?!
WTF
Why such anger and hatred?

I am merely trying to engage your paradigm in a constructive and rhetorical debate.

But when you make such remarks.....I'm starting to doubt you've ever driven a 300ZX TT. Let alone any of the other cars you mentioned a few posts up.

[Iain]

Have you ever driven a new GTO? i KNOW a STOCK example of a LS1 GTO would trounce all over your 250k m20 pile of shit, even in the twistys.








you've already lost all your credibility with ignorance. QFT.

250k M20 eh? Where'd you pull that from, sparkles?

We had Monaros out here for a few years before we sent them over there with the shithouse modifications (smaller fuel tank, stupidly small boot space, ugly bonnet scoops, etc) and I've driven plenty of them - was kinda part of my job of reviewing cars for a magazine - and they handle OK but still suffer from a rear-suspension that dates from a 1970s Opel!

[Iain]

Dude, you said it doesn't "put power down well". What better test of how well an LSD puts power to the road then a 1/4 mi? Granted, I've never tracked my Z, but at the same time, I've never found the LSD's performance to be in the least bit unsettling on the road.

There are plenty of better ways to test an LSD's function! Straight line standing start acceleration is one VERY small aspect.

The whole point of my argument is (and this is getting really diluted here) that with a more aggressive limited slip diff you can get the power down earlier. The stock unit in your Zed is built for comfort, not performance. A tighter LSD would drop seconds per-lap off times at a race track.

C/D is a globally recognized publication. I don't know what you mean by "over there". And GRM is a great magazine. It's certainly unbiased, and the authors certainly know the definition of good handling characteristics.

Actually, speaking of Cadillacs, the new Cadillac CTS is a pretty impressive car IMO. I guess not all of us drive Skyline GTRs, Lotus Elises, M3s, etc. like everyone over in Australia. Oh well.

The point has gone over your head. What it boils down to is that we are harsher critics than you guys, it seems.

DI don't plan on breeding. The thought of having a little version of me running around scares me. I was way too much of a fuck-up between the ages of 16 and 18 to ever want to breed. Close my mouth and suffocate?!?!
WTF
Why such anger and hatred?

I am merely trying to engage your paradigm in a constructive and rhetorical debate.

But when you make such remarks.....I'm starting to doubt you've ever driven a 300ZX TT. Let alone any of the other cars you mentioned a few posts up.

That was aimed at Xxwillxx, not you.

[TDE30]

IDEA...

If the E34 M5 beats the Z32 in that poll within the next 48 hours, pbr87 gets the banhammer...

...and R3V members can vote in said poll.