Canada's Health Care

[Massive Lee]

There is no perfect system but ours is by far the best.

You are pretty funny in your assessment. Now look for excuses.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

[svn2002s]

The fact that Labrador is far or in the middle of nowhere has nothing to do with it. He is not flying to another Canadian city. He is going to the US where this state of the art facility exist. This facility, is product of the private sector, not a government rule or mandate.

[wildstoats]

What if every country went socialist so that the innovation evil profits encourage does not exist anywhere?!? Or rather, why would anyone specialize in anything if there was no real incentive to?

I guess that depends on if you view financial gain as the end all, be all motivation to do anything in life. Somewhat of a philosophical question.

[markseven]

You are pretty funny in your assessment. Now look for excuses.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Really credible site you referenced :p Link to the actual WHO list?

[trent]

You are pretty funny in your assessment. Now look for excuses.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Good job quoiting a TEN YEAR OLD REPORT LEE.

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task. "

Stupid ass Canadians. Learn to read you fuck.

[KenC]

So because some people can't pay for healthcare then the rest of us should suffer. If the government got out of the way with their rules and regulations healthcare would be cheap enough for anybody. There is no perfect system but ours is by far the best.

You obviously have no experience with te healthcare system. As one who is knee deep in it five days per week, I can assure you that it's not "rules and regulations" that are driviNg up costs. That is unless you're including fraud, malpractice, and licensing in that grouping.

[Massive Lee]

Good job quoiting a TEN YEAR OLD REPORT LEE.

"The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task. "

So, girl, you think things have changed that much in 10 years? Enough to go from 37th position to #1? It's incredible how little girls on R3V can't stand the fact that their "daddy" is not #1...

So maybe that because of the complexity of the task, no bitch shall claim their system is #1...

[rwh11385]

I guess that depends on if you view financial gain as the end all, be all motivation to do anything in life. Somewhat of a philosophical question.

If med school and research was free, it'd be philosophical. Even the most caring doctor has to be concerned about the business case...

Choice A) Become a heart doctor and help people
Choice B) Become a heart doctor and help people, by researching, practicing, and specializing in X condition or surgery which only affects Y percent of patients who need a heart doctor and costs Z dollars...

I don't see as many people choosing B in a socialized health system...

[Aptyp]

Just look at the US school system, look at the product they put of compared to all the money we sink in. It's pathetic. Obviously they are multiple exceptions but on average, we suck at an International level. Johnny can't fucking read or multiply when he finishes High School.

that is johny's fault and someone who payed attention in school, will get rich selling that moron a trailer.

[Aptyp]

You are pretty funny in your assessment. Now look for excuses.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

1 France

My friend right now is in AMERICAN hospital in Paris. She collapsed from a blood clot and was taken to a French hospital, where she was misdiagnosed and nearly die. Her husband flew to Paris same day and insisted on hospital transfer. Don't worry though, French hospital sweetened the deal by offering her a free infection to go with her blood clot.

At American hospital she was promptly operated on and is not spending next 3 weeks in Paris before flying back.



Why is the an AMERICAN hospital in France? They surely went a long way having American doctors and very strongly emphasize to be American.

[rwh11385]

Such health rating clearly leaves out the biggest variable between countries - the people. Americans have horrible diets, bad exercise habits, etc. Looking at life expectancy and other variables might be neat, but don't look at health care for failing to prevent death if the cause was heart disease, stroke, diabetes, etc. (Some of the leading causes of death in the US)

Part of what socialists, or anyone who thinks government should be in power of its people instead of them having freedom, don't get is that personal responsibility must come with personal freedom. People in the US have the freedom to choose what to eat and what to do with their lives, and it is their responsibility to keep in shape or have a good diet. It is not the government's place to force them to act a certain way, and as long as that freedom exists - then there will likely be Americans dying from such causes as I mentioned above.

Responsibility and freedom remind me of being a child and having a parent. As your ability to be responsible increased, so did your freedom. If you wanted to be free, you needed to work to provide for your needs and then stay out of trouble.

Soo... who really wants to give up their freedom to big brother and do what he (Obama) says? People who have no ability to be responsible for their own well-being. What is bad is this comes at the loss of freedom for everyone else as well since the parent has to take from the others to help the leech.

The stupid, lazy, irresponsible Americans who want the government to do everything for them of course want socialized health care. As do people who feel bad for these people and don't understand it creates incentives for more to be this way or for those to stay that way. This steals true American ideals and liberty from those who have the mindset of what the nation was actually founded upon, and is wrong.

[KenC]

If med school and research was free, it'd be philosophical. Even the most caring doctor has to be concerned about the business case...

Choice A) Become a heart doctor and help people
Choice B) Become a heart doctor and help people, by researching, practicing, and specializing in X condition or surgery which only affects Y percent of patients who need a heart doctor and costs Z dollars...

I don't see as many people choosing B in a socialized health system...

They still would. People don't dedicate their lives to medicine for a paycheck. The monetary ROI, when you consider the investment (tuition, time, stress), is very poor. Medicine isn't a 9-5, forget it when you go home kind of career. It's a lifestyle. It's no secret that physicians are near the top of those who get divorced.

Although I realize that I'll be making a decent wage when I'm done, it's still $250k in tuition and AT LEAST seven years of training until you're a licensed physician.

[KenC]

My friend right now is in AMERICAN hospital in Paris. She collapsed from a blood clot and was taken to a French hospital, where she was misdiagnosed and nearly die. Her husband flew to Paris same day and insisted on hospital transfer. Don't worry though, French hospital sweetened the deal by offering her a free infection to go with her blood clot.

At American hospital she was promptly operated on and is not spending next 3 weeks in Paris before flying back.



Why is the an AMERICAN hospital in France? They surely went a long way having American doctors and very strongly emphasize to be American.

Should we list all of the horrible infections and misdiagnoses that happen in American hospitals? It happens everywhere, even with the best intentions and best trained staff. The surgeons I work with take every measure to try and prevent infection, but it still happens.

I'm not saying that the American hospital wasn't a better place to be, but a single example is moot.

[rwh11385]

They still would. People don't dedicate their lives to medicine for a paycheck. The monetary ROI, when you consider the investment (tuition, time, stress), is very poor. Medicine isn't a 9-5, forget it when you go home kind of career. It's a lifestyle. It's no secret that physicians are near the top of those who get divorced.

Although I realize that I'll be making a decent wage when I'm done, it's still $250k in tuition and AT LEAST seven years of training until you're a licensed physician.

Ken, you breath in a lot of hippie air in PNW. I know plenty of people in med school who are not motivated by improving the well being of others as much as they are a new 7 series and a boob job for a wife 15 years their junior. (There's the med school wife, then divorce, then cradle-robbing wife)

[Raxe]

What's the ooooh-how-dramatic point supposed to be in this thread?

If I had the money to afford surgery or treatment at the best medical facility with the best surgeons and practitioners in the world, I'd sure as hell be flying my ass over there to get it regardless of what country it is in.

I don't, however, so I'll have to settle for what is offered to me. There's no legal or even moral obligation saying that because I'm a Canadian citizen I must use the healthcare system provided by my government. If I can afford better elsewhere, great. If not, that's fine too. At least it's there.