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**quickervicar** · 03-10-2010, 10:18 AM

I've driven a Prius (2nd gen) for a couple of days. A friend needed to haul some heavy things, so he borrowed my DD ('81 Rabbit Diesel). Ironic, isn't it?

My thoughts:

-Appliance
-A Golf TDI is built much better
-A Golf TDI would get much better mileage on the commute
-Waaaayyyyy too complex to be efficient to own long-term (e.g. read the how-to on jump-starting the bugger)
-Handling is predictable, but understeers at the first thought of corner speed
-A BMW M3 would get much better mileage at the track
-Why does it take 20 miles to start running solely on battery?!?
-Braking is difficult to modulate
-I would hate this thing in the snow (off-on throttle response)
-Why do I need to scroll through menus to adjust the temp on the A/C?!?
-I want my POS Rabbit back

**StereoInstaller1** · 03-10-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Blacksedan View Post

"It takes 113,000,000 BTUs of energy to build one of those futuristic waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles-mobiles called a Toyota Prius; which is not only a loss of Man Points to own and drive, but also a loss of Man Points to rent, ride in, fuck in, or even see rolling down the street. 113,000,000 BTU’s equals 1,000 gallons of gasoline. You could drive a 98 Toyota Tercel on that amount of gasoline for like 7 years. That means by purchasing an “eco-friendly” car, you are pissing away 7 years of driving in one fucking purchase. If you don’t get 7 years of driving out of that hybrid piece of shit (which the warantee guarantees you won’t) you just fucked Mother Earth.

Buying a hybrid is like walking into Cesar’s Palace and tipping the valet ten grand instead of dropping it on a roulette wheel. You can uncross your fingers, fucko. Vegas doesn’t give comps for burning cash.

Old cars are better for the environment than new hybrid cars. So why don’t we promote old cars as the “eco-friendly” alternative to hybrids?" -Dick Masterson

This boy done smacked this topic out that gat damn ballpark with that shit right there!

**BeirBrennerE30** · 03-10-2010, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by FredK View Post

HAHAHAHAHA!

Wow. Where were you?

95 North/rt 128... right around the Dedham, Westwood area somewhere

**HarryPotter** · 03-10-2010, 12:45 PM

I can't get over how fucking gay that website is.

**BraveUlysses** · 03-10-2010, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Blacksedan View Post

"It takes 113,000,000 BTUs of energy to build one of those futuristic waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles-mobiles called a Toyota Prius; which is not only a loss of Man Points to own and drive, but also a loss of Man Points to rent, ride in, fuck in, or even see rolling down the street. 113,000,000 BTU’s equals 1,000 gallons of gasoline. You could drive a 98 Toyota Tercel on that amount of gasoline for like 7 years. That means by purchasing an “eco-friendly” car, you are pissing away 7 years of driving in one fucking purchase. If you don’t get 7 years of driving out of that hybrid piece of shit (which the warantee guarantees you won’t) you just fucked Mother Earth.

Buying a hybrid is like walking into Cesar’s Palace and tipping the valet ten grand instead of dropping it on a roulette wheel. You can uncross your fingers, fucko. Vegas doesn’t give comps for burning cash.

Old cars are better for the environment than new hybrid cars. So why don’t we promote old cars as the “eco-friendly” alternative to hybrids?" -Dick Masterson

Source for the data that you're citing in this shitty rant clearly stolen from another website?

**StereoInstaller1** · 03-10-2010, 01:55 PM

Tell me you don't know Dick Masterson?

**markseven** · 03-10-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post

Tell me you don't know Dick Masterson?

I didn't know about him until I read the quote posted by blacksedan.

"women suck at boardgames"

**Iain** · 03-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Dick Masterton needs to update his stats. The plant where the Prius is built is - and has been for some years - carbon neutral. It actually offsets the emissions of each Prius built.

I hate Priuses, but that old cherry about their production being hugely bad for the environment is around 10 years too old.

**Blacksedan** · 03-10-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by BraveUlysses View Post

Source for the data that you're citing in this shitty rant clearly stolen from another website?

lol

**StereoInstaller1** · 03-10-2010, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Iain View Post

Dick Masterton needs to update his stats. The plant where the Prius is built is - and has been for some years - carbon neutral. It actually offsets the emissions of each Prius built.

I hate Priuses, but that old cherry about their production being hugely bad for the environment is around 10 years too old.

Iain, you have been suckered.

You need to go read up on what mr. Masterson has to say.

**Iain** · 03-10-2010, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by StereoInstaller1 View Post

Iain, you have been suckered.

You need to go read up on what mr. Masterson has to say.

I used to work for Toyota and had access to some fairly high-level documents detailing exactly what the Tsutsumi plant outputs and some of the fairly radical technologies being used to combat and offset emissions there.

I agree the Prius DEFINITELY DID hurt the environment more years ago, but as of the third-gen model, it isn't the same story. And that takes a bit for me to type, as an avowed petrol-electric hybrid cynic.

Some of the info (ripped from Toyota Aus):

Since 1990 the annual emissions have been reduced by more than 150,000 tonnes - roughly equivalent to the volume of CO2 absorbed each year by a 5,040-hectare tropical rainforest.

The plant's carbon dioxide emissions have been cut by over 700 tonnes per year.

In 2008, Toyota installed 50,000 square metres of photovoltaic solar panels with a total output of 2000kW - the average consumption of 500 households.

Half of the electricity from the plant comes from the solar panels on the roof, while rest is produced by gas co-generation.

The 22,000 square metres plant exterior is covered in photo-catalytic paint, which breaks down airborne nitrogen oxides (NOx) and sulfur oxides (SOx), givingthe same effect as planting 2000 trees (cleaning the air by producing oxygen in sunlight).

As part of the plan to offset CO2 emissions, 50,000 trees were planted at and around the factory in 2008.

TMC have also covered the Tsutsumi plant's rooftops with NOx-absorbing vegetation.

Since Prius production began in 1997, the plant has reduced the amount of waste going to landfill by 82 per cent and has instituted plans to achieve complete elimination of incinerated waste. Comprehensive water recycling programs have led to a 50 per cent reduction in water discharge to the local river system. The discharged water is five times cleaner than the river itself.

The plant uses energy-saving lights, and daylight through skylights is channelled to provide more lighting, reducing electricity consumption by 2kWh per day and cuts CO2 by 220kg or 110,000 litres a year.

**StereoInstaller1** · 03-10-2010, 07:54 PM

Iain, Imma say it again: go read ANYTHING Mr.Masterson has to say.

**u3b3rg33k** · 03-10-2010, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Blacksedan View Post

"It takes 113,000,000 BTUs of energy to build one of those futuristic waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles-mobiles called a Toyota Prius; which is not only a loss of Man Points to own and drive, but also a loss of Man Points to rent, ride in, fuck in, or even see rolling down the street. 113,000,000 BTU’s equals 1,000 gallons of gasoline. You could drive a 98 Toyota Tercel on that amount of gasoline for like 7 years. That means by purchasing an “eco-friendly” car, you are pissing away 7 years of driving in one fucking purchase. If you don’t get 7 years of driving out of that hybrid piece of shit (which the warantee guarantees you won’t) you just fucked Mother Earth.

Buying a hybrid is like walking into Cesar’s Palace and tipping the valet ten grand instead of dropping it on a roulette wheel. You can uncross your fingers, fucko. Vegas doesn’t give comps for burning cash.

Old cars are better for the environment than new hybrid cars. So why don’t we promote old cars as the “eco-friendly” alternative to hybrids?" -Dick Masterson

Reduce Reuse, Recycle is a terrible marketing campaign?
And how many BTU's are put into building a Tercel? That's another waste of energy shaped like a car. Besides, even mother earth needs some action sometimes.

That said, If I could go the rest of my life without seeing a schoolbus or a fugly prius (the new ones are almost tolerable)/insight, I'd be a happier man. Heck, give me one month a year sans schoolbuses, and I'll be happier.