So Virginia bans O-Care

[HarryPotter]

This fucking nonsense is why we are in such a mess. You probably also think we have the best healthcare system in the world.

Let me tell you something, as someone who does have a good job with a perfectly great plan, if I happen to wind up with a long-term illness or injury the first fucking thing I'm doing is moving to Switzerland or Japan, where I'll actually stand a chance of being able to pay all the bills.

And if you think your insurance plan isn't already "paying for everyone else's insurance" or that it's no contradiction to bitch about entitlement programs and then also bitch about medicare funding being cut.. then I suppose there is no hope.

I hope people feel patriotic by derailing what started as a great idea that might actually make the nation's workforce competitive.

Y,a it will be so great when obama care is making you pay 10 bucks for a bigmac, 20 for cigs, taxes everywhere because stuff isn't "healthy".

Bama says he's gunna start exporting goods and services... How do you export services??? These liberal douches in office don't give a fuck about your health. If you really think they do you need a reality check. This is just all a giant leap onto the road of a socialist nation. After taking over health care the US gov. will own 56% of the united states economy. That's fucking fantastic. If you live in china.

[mrsleeve]

I hope people feel patriotic by derailing what started as a great idea that might actually make the nation's workforce competitive.

SO how is jacking the tax rates gonna make us competitive again????

How is O-care gonna make our labor market with a minimum wage that pays more in an hour than other markets we are supposed to be competing with pay in a day, how is that gonna work again????

How is taxing corps and the "rich" going to keep jobs here and keep them from not shutting the US office and moving to Liechtenstein, or Guatemala????

just some thing to contemplate

[Wiglaf]

In that manner you are not changing the "broken" system, you are simply creating another entitlement program. Although, that happens to be what the liberals want, another entitlement program.


Now, if you want to revamp the system to make it work better

It already IS an intitlement program. You show up in ER, you get treatment. They can't deny you.
It should be like the fire dept. There is a fire, it gets put out. No middlement BS.

And your revamp plan is a pipe dream. For as long as insurance companies are out on the stock market, it will not be cheaper than a social plan. They have motivation to drop people. Medical is NOT the place for them.

Don't listen to the noise they are making to derail all efforts. What should be 1/12 of the economy or less is 1/6 because of all this middle-man racket crap.

[Wiglaf]

Where do you work again? Like working there?

Perhaps you should find a new job anyways since you didn't have coverage or were not responsible enough to get health insurance. Even if your fiscally challenged like quite a few American's and just couldn't afford it - what have you contributated to society that anyone else should pay for you to get coverage? What has anyone else done or contributed to society that they deserve YOU paying for their health coverage?

Just a few thoughts to stew over.

I personally think the road conditions (at least where I live) are retardedly poor for how much we're taxed on it. To speculate what it would be like with even less funds going towards it and more towards those that don't have coverage is staggeringly painful.

I respect that you want to pay into a health care system for others. Alright, nice for you. I'll gladly stop paying my families health insurance and you can take that over for me. Even better, to reduce the cost you can get your friends to chip in also. I imagine with enough people the cost wouldn't even be that much per person! Lucky you! See what I did there? I saved you money. The total is irrelevent really then. So, I wont send you the bill, just let you know how much it is per month. Why would you trust me? Because well, I'm a swell guy.

This fucking nonsense is why we are in such a mess. You probably also think we have the best healthcare system in the world.

Let me tell you something, as someone who does have a good job with a perfectly great plan, if I happen to wind up with a long-term illness or injury the first fucking thing I'm doing is moving to Switzerland or Japan, where I'll actually stand a chance of being able to pay all the bills.

And if you think your insurance plan isn't already "paying for everyone else's insurance" or that it's no contradiction to bitch about entitlement programs and then also bitch about medicare funding being cut.. then I suppose there is no hope.

I hope people feel patriotic by derailing what started as a great idea that might actually make the nation's workforce competitive.

[reelop19]

God damnit I hate Charlie Crist. There is no way he would ever follow Virginia that F-ing R I N O. There is no way I'm leaving sunny Florida for Virginia so it looks like I'm gonna have to become governor.

[Ryan Stewart]

BTW, with respect to your high bill. Did you go talk with their finance dept? They set up that high pricing structure to get some leverage when dealing with asshole insurance companies like mine.

Insurance companies never pay the whole bill. They will always setup agreements to negotiate it down. Most of that high price is just to give the hospital the opportunity to negotiate down but still make money.

Well, that and its to cover the extra cost of broke as motherfuckers like harrypotter who dont pay their bills. BTW, they will fuck your credit.

[Ryan Stewart]

I want national health care, the current system is fucked and Ive been in positions before that I needed it and didnt have it.

I dont really care what the cost is, we need it...cut spending in transportation of tax brreaks for big business...i dont care

In that manner you are not changing the "broken" system, you are simply creating another entitlement program. Although, that happens to be what the liberals want, another entitlement program.


Now, if you want to revamp the system to make it work better you would/should take a whole different approach (which the dems are ignoring). For starters, insurance companies are exempt from antitrust laws. Nix that. Then, work with states to unify regulation. That would allow individuals to shop across state lines for another provider with a more competetive plan. Right now you cant do that because they might not be able to provide a specific coverage mandated by the state. Then impact cost curves by limiting medical malpractice suits, there are soo many frivolous ones.

Then, and this would be the least popular because its the most painful. Make health insurance individual, just like all other forms of insurance. What that would do is make it portable. You pick a plan and its yours regardless of who you work for. THe reason its unpopular is because it would appear MUCH more expensive when, in reality, its only a little more expensive.

The reason is work plans get a small discount from being bought in bulk but most of it is just rolled into compensation. You enroll for their plan and 80% of it is part of your compensation and then you just pay a little bit based on how much coverage you need.

The other reason personal plans would be unpopular is because it would require personal accountability. That is great for someone like myself, who takes care of themselves. But morbidly obese alcoholics want/need people like me to subsidize their overconsumption.

[mrsleeve]

In actuality I had been laid off from my old job at BMW because of the slumping econ.

This was only 2 years after from returning from my second tour overseas with the USAF...I was pressing on the crank bearings on a engine that I was rebuilding to sell, so I could pay rent.

Needless to say the arbor plate slipped out from the crank and my finger was crushed....

So now im about 3 weeks out of work, no medical and not alot of cash. I went to the hospital anyway because I was bleeding like a stuck pig. They tell me I MUST have Xrays and some stitches. I refuse the Xrays after learining that the cost for 3 exposures without insurance would be around $4000. The doc stitches me up and I leave. I'm such a dumbass for assuming the low cost of the procedure

3 weeks later I get the $3700 bill for emergencgy room treatment and 4 (FOUR) stitches.


Tell me how exactly that this shit is ok? It isnt! I worked hard my whole life, never been out of work, hut myself once and bingo im fucked. There are pleanty of HARD WORKING people that would benefit from this. And to be honest im willing to spend more money out of every current paycheck to grant this for people.


I pay for my current insurance plus copays and its not cheap, to be honest I dont think its being managed well.

Healthcare is one of the only industries where pricefixing and elevated costs of supplies (read gouging for 4 stitches) is legal.

Should have made those COBRA payments huh. Way to go for personal responsibility

[Pinepig]

In actuality I had been laid off from my old job at BMW because of the slumping econ.

This was only 2 years after from returning from my second tour overseas with the USAF...I was pressing on the crank bearings on a engine that I was rebuilding to sell, so I could pay rent.

Needless to say the arbor plate slipped out from the crank and my finger was crushed....

So now im about 3 weeks out of work, no medical and not alot of cash. I went to the hospital anyway because I was bleeding like a stuck pig. They tell me I MUST have Xrays and some stitches. I refuse the Xrays after learining that the cost for 3 exposures without insurance would be around $4000. The doc stitches me up and I leave. I'm such a dumbass for assuming the low cost of the procedure

3 weeks later I get the $3700 bill for emergencgy room treatment and 4 (FOUR) stitches.


Tell me how exactly that this shit is ok? It isnt! I worked hard my whole life, never been out of work, hut myself once and bingo im fucked. There are pleanty of HARD WORKING people that would benefit from this. And to be honest im willing to spend more money out of every current paycheck to grant this for people.


I pay for my current insurance plus copays and its not cheap, to be honest I dont think its being managed well.

Healthcare is one of the only industries where pricefixing and elevated costs of supplies (read gouging for 4 stitches) is legal.

I would have grabbed my bottle of instant glue that I have in the shop fridge and glued that shit shut and got on with my day. I have a fucking great insurance and hate going to the ER ( I'd have to visit the wife unit who works there ;))

[Pinepig]

tell me how this is just symbolic


please read the 9th and 10th amendments to the Constitution and then get back to me, to I can explain what they mean to you. Then you will get why this is not symbolic.

I just went to take a shit and I have used all my ass wipe, you think they would send me a tiny square off the edge when they are done with it.

[Joey Link]

Good! I was so happy when I read that this morning.

Yes, the system is badly broken. However, to the people who say they don't care what the cost is as long as government covers it, you're looking at the problem backward.

[Naplm00]

I agree with everything you just said right here. We don't need gov't intervention in our lives.

yea my views are sort of all over the map obviosly

[ck_taft325is]

Killing a baby is killing a baby. If you're conscience is okay with that, that's fine by me.

Agree.
Definately agree.
More than you know.
Amen.

I still don't think Government health care is a good thing nor can I see how it will happen without toppling this lovely deck of cards Senior Obama is stacking.

[Naplm00]

Do you realize this country is on the verge of bankruptcy?

Perhaps you will care when our infrastructure collapses?

Take a look at Greece and at other countries such as Spain.

That's our future.

Oh I see it, NJ is goin to be the next California! The funding forsomething as large as federalized heathcare needs to be planned carefully.

I think that reallocated funds can cover something liek this from our budget. I dont know where from but the removal of services for illegal immagrants would be a good start then the legalization and taxation of weed and maybe federal run works projects for power and communications.

I'm really not sure were, what I do know is that american people dying everyday from curable diseases and injuries because of a lack of proper health care is a larger issue.

[Restoman]

and while im pissing everyone off: Abortion is a wormans right, gun laws, seatbelt laws and helmet laws should all be repealed, 18 to drink/smoke, legalize weed, death row should be no longer than 6 months

I agree with everything you just said right here. We don't need gov't intervention in our lives.