Obama on FOX News at 6PM EST....

[Atreus]

the best part of you ran down your mothers leg....

lol.

thats all i had to add, before these four other posts stole my thunder.... /shrug

[jrhaile]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

I agree with you 100% that abortion isn't the only reason why our reproduction rate is so slow compared to other country's But it is a part of it. In 2005 alone there were 1.2 million abortions. Who knows how many over the last 30 years.

[BraveUlysses]

I agree with you 100% that abortion isn't the only reason why our reproduction rate is so slow compared to other country's But it is a part of it. In 2005 alone there were 1.2 million abortions. Who knows how many over the last 30 years.

It's a part of it, but just part of the larger overall trend for developed nations (most suffer from low birthrates currently).

worldwide rates, fyi:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/AWWfullreport.pdf

The overall abortion rate declined between 1995 and
2003. This is largely due to reductions in levels of safe
abortions, particularly in Eastern Europe.

--The number of abortions worldwide fell from an estimated
45.5 million in 1995 to 41.6 million in 2003. The estimated
number of unsafe abortions changed little during
this period—from 19.9 million to 19.7 million—and
almost all occurred in developing countries.

--The rate of safe abortions dropped between 1995 and
2003 from 20 to 15 per 1,000 women aged 15–44, while
the unsafe abortion rate declined hardly at all—from 15
to 14 per 1,000. The overall abortion rate declined from
35 to 29 per 1,000.

[Massive Lee]

All time high in terms of number of abortions was in 1985 (about 1.6million) and has since declined to a current 1.25 million.

There are other reasons for the decline in population.

Morbid obesity
"In the United States obesity is estimated to cause an excessof 365,000 deaths per year"

And here are the tables of birth rates across the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate

[Hallen]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Not really. The average number of kids per family is still above 2, but just barely . Basically, Americans are at the "replacement" rate. One little poop factory per person. This is overall good, in my opinion.

The third world nations, the ones that culturally are still in the dark ages, yet have gained modern technology, are still on a 8-1 rate where we are on a 1-1 rate. It's a cultural thing. They think they need all those little ones to insure their retirement, expecting only 2 or 3 actually survive that long. But, because of technology, many of them are surviving long enough to reproduce, a much higher percentage than before. The results, over population. The result of that: ship em out to the land of the great fast food restaurant.

People here still want kids, for the most part. They just normally don't want 4 or 5. Those that do choose to have three or more are just making up for the few who chose not to, or can't.

Culturally, is that putting we western nations at risk? Yes, and no. If immigrants absorb into society and accept their new culture, then no, it isn't a problem. If, however, they do not absorb, they just carry on their own culture in their new home, AND they can extend that out for multiple generations, then yes, it is a problem. We'll be going backwards rather than forwards.

So, I'm actually not too worried about that since after one or two generations, generally people adapt to the new, local culture.

What bothers me is the over population in the first place. The world already has too many people. We need to look at ways to slow population growth down, or to have population reduction (without nuking the middle east or India). Over population is the greatest threat to our planet, no matter what the climate alarmists say.

[Massive Lee]

Rats in sewers will not procreate when living conditions, such as lack of food, are difficult. A pregnant cat will self abort if it (she) feels the conditions are not good enough to give birth. The opposite trend seems to apply to the human race.

And I think it is beyond cultural, and perhaps even genetic. If a couple, living in harsh conditions, makes only two babies, chances are that only one will survive. While a couple making 4 or 5 of them has more chances to see the blood line perpetuted, even if two kids die. It's a genetic call.

Also, let's remember that North American familiies usually counted about 5 to 6 members until half a century ago, and often 12 or 14 until a century ago when arms were needed to work on the family farm. I guess it has to do where we put our values. I wish I had a two or three kids laughing in our backyard, but only made one.

[CorvallisBMW]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Very well said.

[Turf1600]

We can only hope.... the quality of American's are in a major decline.

This is because the poor reproduce much more quickly than the wealthy. I blame it on religion.

[pbr87]

Shut the fuck up moron. I'm trying to find that study, it was really interesting actually.

Tell us how you really feel.

[jrhaile]

Tell us how you really feel.

I feel like eating vag but the wife is holding out so I'm a bit on edge!

[pbr87]

I feel like eating vag but the wife is holding out so I'm a bit on edge!

hahahaha! I feel for ya, man!

[ck_taft325is]

It is not reasonable to blame abortion as being the reason for the decline of population in the US, or in the Occidental world in general. The post WWII babyboom is long gone. Actually, the babies are now retiring. Todays USA's birth rate is an all time low.

The real reason is the same in many other industrial countries, it is that people just don't want to make babies. They prioritize their carreer, so, babies take second seat. Therefore, if Americans don't make babies, then "Camel Jockeys" will do it for them. The future is in the American poeoples' hands. Decide between having fun and party, or be serious and raise at least two kids. Don't blame others for your mistakes. So, abortion is not the problem in this case.

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Precisely.

[ck_taft325is]

Yes, give birth to more rapist babies.

What does your Father or Mother do for a living? This statement is the stupidest fucking thing on the planet. Obviously if the father raped a woman and got her pregnant his "seed" must carry the rapist gene!!! Quick, to the baby killing headquaters to save a future woman against rape!!! Don't be such a tool and infere every and any negative thing your fucked up, sad, twisted little mind can come up with into everyone of my statements or opinions. It goes less towards proving your point and more towards making you look stupid.

[Turf1600]

What does your Father or Mother do for a living? This statement is the stupidest fucking thing on the planet. Obviously if the father raped a woman and got her pregnant his "seed" must carry the rapist gene!!! Quick, to the baby killing headquaters to save a future woman against rape!!! Don't be such a tool and infere every and any negative thing your fucked up, sad, twisted little mind can come up with into everyone of my statements or opinions. It goes less towards proving your point and more towards making you look stupid.

Uhh...That's a pretty standard arguing point in favor of abortion - or at least in favor of limited abortion. Getting all worked up about it only proves that you know very little about the topic...

Also, wtf do his parents have to do with any of that?

[Turf1600]

And don't worry. I don't defend, nor I condone abortion. It's an individual painfull decision. Abortion is NOT birth control. It's a last measure. A sad one at that. But sometimes necessary.

Abortion is still birth control - I don't know how you can deny it. Should it be used as birth control? Not every time, no. However - as stated previously - traditional methods of reversible birth control aren't 100% effective. Every holier than thou soap box jackass on this forum wants to believe that all abortions are the direct result of irresponsibility. This is far from the case.

Is it just me or does every valid point in this thread get disregarded?