The job market is really pissing me off.

[StereoInstaller1]

Not to say tradesman do not contribute to society, its just that people with more education do not simply sit around playing with a computer all day (well I am sure some do but it is not the majority).

Wow...I don't know you at all, have not read much of what you have had to say...but you sound like a total elitist prick.

On the other hand, the reverse snobbery that one of our "trade workers" posted was pretty damned impudent, too.

[Wiglaf]

IT seems like such a scam.. every time I check into those jobs it's a lucky hit if they pay $15/hr for trained experienced troubleshooters. Usually it's less.
Every once in a while you can find a particular hook, like someone needs a FORTRAN programmer to limp thier outdated system along for another few years.. and thinks this will be cheaper than bringing thier shit out of the stone age. You just know a place that like will be AWESOME to work for.

[analogjesus]

I can get a job anywhere in the country I want. The secret? Technical skilled labour. So many people out there want a job tap-tapping away on some government keyboard or providing power point presentations for meetings and other non-productive American business bullshit. The problem with this country is that no-one is willing to DO anything REAL anymore. So while you college grad suckers scrounge for work those of us who have experience fixing broken things that you can't fix still have jobs. And when you run out of money? You'll have to trade your prized e30 shit for food.

The current economy favours those with trade skills, this is definitely true. But you have to realize, a college education is not something someone does in order to avoid "working" throughout their life. The importance of people who have achieved higher education in this country is monumental. They design the cars, research technology, and generally contribute to our society as a whole. Not to say tradesman do not contribute to society, its just that people with more education do not simply sit around playing with a computer all day (well I am sure some do but it is not the majority). Now the distinction between the trades and careers which require a more education based skill-set is simple: Robotic machines currently can be designed to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. One might argue if it is feasible for a robot to do my job, why do I still have a job? If a company designed a robotic plumber today, it would be too expensive to be competitive. Now if Moore's Law holds true, and the expense of technology decreases exponentially, it is not too hard to imagine a nation where the labour-based workforce is based off of machines.

[wildstoats]

Yeah, the worst part is that it's going to get worse. I am dumbfounded every time I hear someone mention the "jobless recovery".

[DatUtahGuy]

I'm lucky to have found a job at the beginning of the year, I'm a glass installer and is pretty easy with some nice bonuses and flexible schedule.

[Jean]

Try IT field, it's pretty sad. Big thanks to outsourcing everything to fucking India...

[rwh11385]

I just feel sad for people who graduated or are still in school for jobs that the market will not support. There's a lot of teachers in areas where there are massive budget cuts and layoffs, just one area. I think that a) not enough people make good enough use of BLS.gov and b) the government could do a better job at communicating to the public of where labor is needed. For as much as I think the government should be small, informational jobs where private companies do not see the motivation, the government should collect and communicate (like census, or a lot of USDA stuff).

Here's a good movie for those in rough times - http://www.hulu.com/watch/120840/lemonade . People can either take their situation and wait for something to happen, or try to make the most of it.

[Ral]

^^ agreed, but there are definitely ways to hurt the creation of jobs- they're unintentionally being done right now.

[StereoInstaller1]

If that was a jab at me, I haven't blamed the Government for what we are in economically. But this administration is doing harm by not making it easier on businesses so they can hire more. And right when we might be seeing a better economy all the businesses in this nation will have to start paying for a portion or most of health care for every employee. It's a big mistake.

No, Josh, but you are the 3rd or 4th in just this thread.

I mean seriously, its like "I can't get anywhere I wanna go because the damn government put speed limits on this road"...yeah, there are taxes and fees and BS regulations so what? If you are gonna do business, do business. If you are gonna work for yourself, do that...or if you are gonna be a lazy bitch and sit on your ass all fucking day waiting for the weather to change (yes, that would be me) quit bitching about being broke, right?

I mean, ultimately, we all play by the same rules. the big greedy guys get all the breaks but want more. Poor guys are still poor and generally are willing to work harder, no matter Republican or Dem, Independent or Don't give a shit...

[ortholithiation]

Very much agree. The next 100 years economies will have to stop from continually expanding. Growth is always one of the main indicators of the health of the economy/companies.

Think about it. More people, more diapers, more houses, more cars. What happends when we stop growing? You can already see it in Japan and the upcomming social security meltdown. To make the switch from growth to sustainable living will not be easy.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
what you said.


yeah, I am having one of the best years I have had in a very long time, will prolly set a record for my self this year. the down side is i have spent 15 months off in 08-09. so I am still playing catch up. Yes I am in a tech field that has some demand right now.


That said the Gas company I have been working for, for the last 8 months is playing some games (the brother inlaw thing) and laid my rig off, to be replaced by a company that has higher rates than we do. Its ok, we have more work than equipment right now, and biding more, my boss keeps asking me when we will be done. I might get a week or 2 off to go home for a while, but prolly not.

[joshh]

You're still thinking too small-scale, it's got nothing to do with a particular tax on companies. Our economy itself is structured on an unsustainably exponential growth pattern, and whenever we hit real-world limitations of resources this will happen. It IS a cycle, a very large and slow one. The very concept of how banks create money and charge interest for loaning money might be the biggest culprit in all of this.

No that's just a slightly different topic.
Although I totally agree with you on the banks. I do believe the depression could have been prevented. And I do believe this recession could also have been. But that would require letting companies that do bad business fail. But we are too busy bailing out companies that fail at running their own business.
This is more than just a cycle imo.
The Government isn't a solution but they could easily make things easier on businesses. Instead of slapping them all with more taxes during a recession.

[Wiglaf]

i agree fed reserve should go away

[Kruzen]

Hahahahahaahha you dumb fucks thought obama would change everything.

Fire fucking Ben Bernanke, end the fucking fed. Things will suck HARD for awhile but the bounce back will be a glorious new day

[kronus]

So while you college grad suckers scrounge for work those of us who have experience fixing broken things that you can't fix still have jobs. And when you run out of money? You'll have to trade your prized e30 shit for food.

I'm a college grad sucker (or will be in a month) and didn't have to "scrounge" for work... I'm not sure where you're going with that dig :(

However, you do have a point, technical maintenance is a desirable field. Diesel mechanics, large machinery and automation equipment maintenance specialists, nuclear plant maintenance, etc. are all are high tech, low-volume maintenance industries that actually have to compete for skilled workers. The downside is that turnover is slow because there is relatively very few employers. I'm curious as to which tech industry you do work in.