Does anyone else feel hopeless about the oil well in the gulf?

[Lof8]

go look up some info on how much and where the oil comes from and see if what you wrote is true ( especially the bolded part ).

I don't doubt that there are other sources of oil coming into the oceans. However, this spewing well is causing a monstrous oil slick on top of the water and below the surface that is going to be washing ashore all along the gulf coast. This will be killing lots of animals and putting lots of fishermen out of work. Whatever previous sources are not having that effect.

in the grand scheme it really is a drop in the bucket. The oil company is doing what it can to stop it, do you ( and the others in this thread ) really think that BP doesn't want this stopped as soon as possible, it costs them a metric shit ton every day that this goes on, don't ya think they would rather not if they could stop it right now.

Might be a "drop in the bucket" but its a rather huge drop. I'm sure that BP would like to stop it. The point is they failed to prepare and, thus far, have failed in stopping it.

What makes you ( and the others in here ) think that BP is not going to be responsible for what is happening, it's going to cost them BILLIONS by the time this is done.

Being responsible and being financially responsible are two very different things. I don't doubt that BP will lose a ton of money cleaning things up but much of the damage is irreversible. Paying fishermen, capping the well, and skimming the oil off the surface is being financially responsible for the disaster. Being prepared to keep something like this from ever happening is being responsible.

I find it funny that a bunch of you now care about oil in our oceans because of this spill, it's not even a significant percentage of the oil is being dumped in the gulf.

So, because someone cares about an oil spill means that they previously did not care about oil in the oceans? When the spill is visible for miles on the surface and below and is washing up along miles of beautiful coastline, I'm going to say its significant. I might even say that when its not visible and not choking the wildlife, it is less significant.

I understand and agree that this spill is not the only source of oil in our oceans, but it is a serious catastrophe that will have lasting effects in many areas for a long time. If there is going to be offshore drilling, better procedures need to be in place to keep large-scale spills from happening. I'm sure BP is doing their best, but its not good enough.

I love the Gulf and don't want thousands of barrels of oil washing up where I like to hang out. Its too bad that you see it as a joke. I'd rather spend $20 a gallon and have a beach than $1 a gallon and live in toxic shit.

Call me a "useful idiot," but if you can't see a problem here, you're a fucking idiot.

[structured]

I'm sorry Lof8 but your compassion has confirmed our belief that you are in fact a liberal fag (or a "greenie" as Mrs. Palin would say). You have failed at life and as a result will be the first to be assraped by the beaners and camelfuckers when Obama finally gets his way and allows them into our sacred country.

Better start stocking up on canned goods and ammunition now because before you know it it will be too late.

[Lof8]

I like where I live and I like seafood. This oil spill is fucking those things up among many others.

Nevermind, I've been convinced! Fuck the Earth!! Cheap gas is the answer to all!

[Pinepig]

I don't doubt that there are other sources of oil coming into the oceans. However, this spewing well is causing a monstrous oil slick on top of the water and below the surface that is going to be washing ashore all along the gulf coast. This will be killing lots of animals and putting lots of fishermen out of work. Whatever previous sources are not having that effect.



Might be a "drop in the bucket" but its a rather huge drop. I'm sure that BP would like to stop it. The point is they failed to prepare and, thus far, have failed in stopping it.



Being responsible and being financially responsible are two very different things. I don't doubt that BP will lose a ton of money cleaning things up but much of the damage is irreversible. Paying fishermen, capping the well, and skimming the oil off the surface is being financially responsible for the disaster. Being prepared to keep something like this from ever happening is being responsible.



So, because someone cares about an oil spill means that they previously did not care about oil in the oceans? When the spill is visible for miles on the surface and below and is washing up along miles of beautiful coastline, I'm going to say its significant. I might even say that when its not visible and not choking the wildlife, it is less significant.

I understand and agree that this spill is not the only source of oil in our oceans, but it is a serious catastrophe that will have lasting effects in many areas for a long time. If there is going to be offshore drilling, better procedures need to be in place to keep large-scale spills from happening. I'm sure BP is doing their best, but its not good enough.

I love the Gulf and don't want thousands of barrels of oil washing up where I like to hang out. Its too bad that you see it as a joke. I'd rather spend $20 a gallon and have a beach than $1 a gallon and live in toxic shit.

Call me a "useful idiot," but if you can't see a problem here, you're a fucking idiot.

And this is why I smile and laugh, I could attempt to educate you all day long and it wouldn't matter one bit, there is so much untrue and outright falsehoods in that shit you just typed, even if I wanted to enlighten you I wouldn't even know where to start ( and since I tried once and you STILL don't know where most oil in the ocean comes from, I'll leave ya with a hint, you contribute ).

I'll just throw this last one out before I leave you to stew in your stupidity, if gas was 20$ a gallon, you won't be hanging out at the beach because you won't be able to afford to get there, the amount of needs ( yes needs, you die if you don't have them, you know shit like food ) who's prices are heavily tied to oil ( think damn near everything unless you grew it in your yard and even then the price of fuel is in play ) would make life as you know it OVER.

As an old school surfer and avid diver I care greatly about the ocean and the cleanliness thereof, as an intelligent human being I also take it upon myself to actually understand something about how and why the world around me works, the extent of your world seems to be " I like to hang out at the beach ", good for you.

[e30vert]

Wonder what kind of pressures the weight of the water generates at a mile depth...gotta be big, y'know?

At sea level, you have one atmosphere of pressure(14.7 psi). Every 33 ft that you descend adds another atmosphere of pressure. Therefore 1000 ft/33 ft=30.30 atm. Now add the one atmosphere at the surface to get 45 atm of pressure at 1000 ft depth. Also, 45 atm times 14.7 psi per atm of pressure equals 661.5 psi.

[Lof8]

I'll just throw this last one out before I leave you to stew in your stupidity, if gas was 20$ a gallon, you won't be hanging out at the beach because you won't be able to afford to get there

I live at the beach. I guess I'd care a lot less too if there was a giant explosion of toxic shit at your house.

[mrsleeve]

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Bacteria/ Mother nature will have that shit decomposed in 3-4 years, thats what does not evaporate or just sink back into the abyss (where bacteria eat it there too)

At sea level, you have one atmosphere of pressure(14.7 psi). Every 33 ft that you descend adds another atmosphere of pressure. Therefore 1000 ft/33 ft=30.30 atm. Now add the one atmosphere at the surface to get 45 atm of pressure at 1000 ft depth. Also, 45 atm times 14.7 psi per atm of pressure equals 661.5 psi.

NO, man your math/original assumptions of numbers is fucked up. You need to figure the Hydrostatic pressure of the water

You are close but way over estimation.

Water has a static hydraulic pressure of .4328 PSI per foot of depth (salt water is slightly less but not enough to make a diff in this instance).

Well head is in just over 5000 feet of water

so 5000 * .4328 = 2164psi hydrostatic working pressure at the bottom. your math would put it closer to 3000psi,

You get 1 atom of pressure gain at 34 feet rather than 33. You also cant add the 1 original atmo of pressure because you are at sea level and there for its considered a 0 or the base constant.

[Pinepig]

I live at the beach. I guess I'd care a lot less too if there was a giant explosion of toxic shit at your house.

Please post pics of the tar balls when they wash on your doorstep, thanks.

[structured]

And this is why I smile and laugh, I could attempt to educate you all day long and it wouldn't matter one bit, there is so much untrue and outright falsehoods in that shit you just typed, even if I wanted to enlighten you I wouldn't even know where to start ( and since I tried once and you STILL don't know where most oil in the ocean comes from, I'll leave ya with a hint, you contribute ).

I'll just throw this last one out before I leave you to stew in your stupidity, if gas was 20$ a gallon, you won't be hanging out at the beach because you won't be able to afford to get there, the amount of needs ( yes needs, you die if you don't have them, you know shit like food ) who's prices are heavily tied to oil ( think damn near everything unless you grew it in your yard and even then the price of fuel is in play ) would make life as you know it OVER.

As an old school surfer and avid diver I care greatly about the ocean and the cleanliness thereof, as an intelligent human being I also take it upon myself to actually understand something about how and why the world around me works, the extent of your world seems to be " I like to hang out at the beach ", good for you.

I'm sure that you have educated yourself, or at least let Glen Beck do it for you, but if you want people to listen to your points you should actually present them instead of just hint at them. Trying to make somebody look lazy or stupid just makes you look like an ass.

For example, instead of saying "you contribute" to oil pollution in waterways you could say "the vast majority of oil in our waters comes from our vehicles".

This is true, and I might actually care what you think if you stated it as such. I still wouldn't agree with you, though, because you are comparing apples and oranges. The thin oil which we use in our cars and boats is hugely different from the viscous crude which is pouring into the gulf right now. Not to mention that it is greatly diluted by the rainwater which transports it from our gass stations to the rivers and then to the oceans.

Also, for those who argue that something like 40% of the oil (by mass) will evaporate withing a few days, you are neglecting the fact that what is left will be thicker and more damaging to wildlife than what was already there.

And (back to the "drop in the bucket argument"), that statement is hyperbole of already misconstrued facts. It is believed that around 1700 barrels of crude oil seep into the oceans within the United States daily from natural sources. That oil is not located in one place, while the roughly 15,000 barrels coming from the Horizon spill every day is. If you can't see the difference there, then maybe you will when you hear that BP's CEO said himself that a rate of 60,000 barrels per day is possible.

If you want my sources...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/06/02/report-offers-bp-oil-spill-perspective.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-02/bp-oil-leak-may-last-until-christmas-in-worst-case-scenario.html

http://www.roygreenshow.com/2010/05/not-the-time-to-impede-drilling-for-offshore-oil.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWYBTpLtSayJtg41LKXpxSxVPAD9G3F7M00

[ck_taft325is]

I'm sure that you have educated yourself, or at least let Glen Beck do it for you, but if you want people to listen to your points you should actually present them instead of just hint at them. Trying to make somebody look lazy or stupid just makes you look like an ass.

For example, instead of saying "you contribute" to oil pollution in waterways you could say "the vast majority of oil in our waters comes from our vehicles".

This is true, and I might actually care what you think if you stated it as such. I still wouldn't agree with you, though, because you are comparing apples and oranges. The thin oil which we use in our cars and boats is hugely different from the viscous crude which is pouring into the gulf right now. Not to mention that it is greatly diluted by the rainwater which transports it from our gass stations to the rivers and then to the oceans.

Also, for those who argue that something like 40% of the oil (by mass) will evaporate withing a few days, you are neglecting the fact that what is left will be thicker and more damaging to wildlife than what was already there.

And (back to the "drop in the bucket argument"), that statement is hyperbole of already misconstrued facts. It is believed that around 1700 barrels of crude oil seep into the oceans within the United States daily from natural sources. That oil is not located in one place, while the roughly 15,000 barrels coming from the Horizon spill is. If you can't see the difference there, then maybe you will when you hear that BP's CEO said himself that a rate of 60,000 barrels per day is possible.

If you want my sources...

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/06/02/report-offers-bp-oil-spill-perspective.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-02/bp-oil-leak-may-last-until-christmas-in-worst-case-scenario.html

http://www.roygreenshow.com/2010/05/not-the-time-to-impede-drilling-for-offshore-oil.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...SxVPAD9G3F7M00

Oh, the motherfuckin' irony abounds.

[mrsleeve]

Oh, the motherfuckin' irony abounds.

you noticed that as well :LOL: that coupled with the sources listed many of which Knew fucking nothing about oil other than it goes in your car, well sorta maybe 3 months ago is what is laughable.

Structured - I will be back latter to poke holes in your arguments, Not saying you are totally wrong. Just a few little holes to let all the hot air out.

[structured]

^ Yes it's funny that I did exactly what he was doing, that was the point. All that Pinepig has done is say how much more he knows than everybody else, Lof8 in particular. If you'll notice, before that statement (which was only directed at Pinepig, not the others arguing a similar side of the story in this thread), I never made a comment like that.

[structured]

you noticed that as well :LOL: that coupled with the sources listed many of which Knew fucking nothing about oil other than it goes in your car, well sorta maybe 3 months ago is what is laughable.

Structured - I will be back latter to poke holes in your arguments, Not saying you are totally wrong. Just a few little holes to let all the hot air out.

I would appreciate that. If you can present some factual evidence unlike several others here who just come in to "hint" at things I will hinestly consider your opinion. Actually, I have already been doing so because you tend to make clear arguments.

[ck_taft325is]

I would appreciate that. If you can present some factual evidence unlike several others here who just come in to "hint" at things I will hinestly consider your opinion. Actually, I have already been doing so because you tend to make clear arguments.

I'm not hating. Just commenting ;)

[Jonny Cash]

oh fuck pinepig man you're way out of line. Glen becks tutorials are not the end all be all man. I think you need to educate YOURself on what this oil can possibly do to our coastline. subscribe yourself, Ill be taking a few pics.