so, about that c7 vette...

[lambo]

I kind of know where the guy is coming from, being that i've been working in factorys since i got out of high school. I'm part of the American workforce and see comments that we make junk. It's like thanks a lot buddy. Glad i could be part of something that you're blind to! I'm pretty proud of my work, but on the other hand i do see crap get sent out the door by the company. And it's like really.... I thought we was serving the consumer with a good product. But yet you let this slide. It's nothing life threating, but quality of a part that would look bad over time. To where if it was done correctly in the first place and quality control didn't say to pass it. It would be an excellent, and will hold up to time.

Stereotypes aren't made if there isn't any truth in them. I agree that we shouldn't automatically assume American cars are junk, but in order for that to happen, American car companies need to beef up the quality of their products. Which they have done an excellent job at, imo.

[R3Z3N]

American car companies need to beef up the quality of their products. Which they have done an excellent job at, imo.

I do think the quality is up, but the design? :yawn: Even Kia has decent quality now, and it's designs are far more desirable than most of GM or Fords offerings IMO.

[ELVA164]

I do think the quality is up, but the design? :yawn: Even Kia has decent quality now, and it's designs are far more desirable than most of GM or Fords offerings IMO.

I actually would have agreed until mostly about the American design thing, but I think that the new batch of Fords are pretty cool-looking.

[Massimo]

anyone watch the live broadcast? what are your guys thought on the car?

direct injection
variable cam timing
7 speed tranny/with auto blip throttle for down shifts
59% stiffer chasis
100lbs lighter chasis
450hp/450tq
slanted radiator to direct hot exiting air out the hood vent

what else did i miss?

Sales pitch is not what makes the car.

[ELVA164]

Some have said that this is the "base" model... why is it being launched as the "Sting Ray"? I honestly don't know enough about Corvettes but I thought that the Sting Ray was a specialty model.

The Stingray was just a name for the C2 run of Corvettes, which was produced from 1963-1967. The C3 model was also called a Stingray by Chevrolet after they realized that abandoning the name for a year was a terrible idea. These cars are also known as "sharks" because their styling was based on a concept car called the Mako Shark.

[JasonC]

Stereotypes aren't made if there isn't any truth in them. I agree that we shouldn't automatically assume American cars are junk, but in order for that to happen, American car companies need to beef up the quality of their products. Which they have done an excellent job at, imo.

Stereotypes.... You drive a four door correct? Is it true they're for old people/ family guys/ and parts cars. And along with being hand me down cars for young people? Also I drive a 4th gen fbody. If I listened to people and their stereotyping about the cars being junk. I wouldn't own one. But I do and only thing I see wrong is that the car with t tops likes to twist due to its torque. And along with this so called low quality in other American cars and trucks that I have owned over the years I guess I woulnt of owned them either due to peoples stereotyping. But I have owned them and been reliable vehicles. Its just the amount of American hate on here that makes one sick. It's just sad to see it when one has had the stuff that people call crap on here. And be like, how did they come to this concussion? From one bad experience? From hearsay? First hand on many times? General lack of knowledge?

[lambo]

Stereotypes.... You drive a four door correct? Is it true they're for old people/ family guys/ and parts cars. And along with being hand me down cars for young people? Also I drive a 4th gen fbody. If I listened to people and their stereotyping about the cars being junk. I wouldn't own one. But I do and only thing I see wrong is that the car with t tops likes to twist due to its torque. And along with this so called low quality in other American cars and trucks that I have owned over the years I guess I woulnt of owned them either due to peoples stereotyping. But I have owned them and been reliable vehicles. Its just the amount of American hate on here that makes one sick. It's just sad to see it when one has had the stuff that people call crap on here. And be like, how did they come to this concussion? From one bad experience? From hearsay? First hand on many times? General lack of knowledge?

Considering the person who first bought my car was an old asian lady with kids, then yes, stereotypes are correct. However, stereotypes are, and will always be based on anecdotal evidence so they're basically invalid.

[Dozyproductions]

stop fuck assing each other for god's sake.

[Purdue89E30]

Goddamn the first half of this thread pissed me off, I'm glad there was some pushback in the second half...
Please! stop critiquing a car by telling me what it reminds you of, automotive design is derivitive most of the time and follows trends just like music, art, fashion, technology, pretty much any field. Your e30 looks just like about 30 other cars that came out at the time, ya think BMW just came out of that boxy shape out of thin air. They didn't, shut up. Judge the car for what it is.

I agree that the new 'Vette is imperfect aesthetically but for the most part I'm positive on it. I'm really glad that they've taken it in much more aggressive design direction. It has the performance to compete with supercars, why not make it look like one? I'm excited that GM is taking some chances with their flagship and most recognized car, this is a big step forward design wise. Let me say here I'm a big fan of the c6, I've been singing its praises to import snobs since it came out and I generally view American cars with skepticism like many of you. The c6 was a great car but it was too conservative design-wise to back it up and not in the cool e39 M5 way. It was a safe (boring) looking supercar that was meant to follow its lineage and not offend anyone.

No way to transition into this I just want to say that round or oval taillights would look completely out of place on this car, it has no roundy design elements anywhere so adding them would just be an obvious compromise for nostalgia's sake, I'm glad they went with what actually fits the car ( I still agree the rear end as a whole could use some work)

Hope I can start some rational discussion about this car, I'd love to hear your retorts.

Cliffs: Car isn't perfect but kudos to GM for breaking with boring tradition and using aggressive design to push the car into the ranks of the other cars with similar performance.

[Purdue89E30]

Oh also, the design of the new Viper really bummed me out, it looks just like the old one but curvier.

[ZoomZoomBoom]

Lots of uninformed opinions in this thread.

*This is base model and Z51 Corvette. Faster versions guaranteed to follow.

*7 speed MANUAL transmission with auto blip that can be turned on and off (370Z has similar technology) as well as 6 speed automatic.

*Magnetic Ride Control is optional on Z51 trim.

*The vents on the body are functional for aero improvement and airflow cool to engine/brakes/tranny/etc.

*Chassis is stiffer and lighter than the C6.

*The Corvette pushrod V8 is light, gets good mileage, good power, is reliable, and is relatively cheap to mod and get additional power normally aspirated.

[iansane]

*The Corvette pushrod V8 is light, gets good mileage, good power, is reliable, and is relatively cheap to mod and get additional power normally aspirated.

The last gen motors were cheap, yes. We won't know the capabilities of this DI stuff for a bit. I'm anxious to see it modded though, lots of potential.

[ZoomZoomBoom]

The last gen motors were cheap, yes. We won't know the capabilities of this DI stuff for a bit. I'm anxious to see it modded though, lots of potential.

I'm no stranger to DI cars. You're spraying on top of the cylinder and it allows for a more efficient burn than port injection, thus better mileage and power and a leaner burn. If the injectors that GM is using are quality with a lot of headroom, same with the high pressure cam driven fuel pump, it could do really well. There are a couple downsides though. The first is that unless there is secondary port injection, there is nothing keeping the intake valves clean, so regular cleaning such as media blasting is required to keep the carbon from building up. The second is if the injectors and/or high pressure fuel pump aren't up to the task of allowing more fuel for more power, there are no aftermarket injector companies producing direct injection injectors. However, GM did a good job on the turbocharged Cobalt SS direct injection system and this is the Corvette here, not something like the Malibu, so I have faith it will be a good setup.

[InuFaye]

Does anyone have information about this new LT1 engine?

[ZoomZoomBoom]

Does anyone have information about this new LT1 engine?

Pushrod, continously variable valve timing, cylinder deactivation, direct injection.