What's the usual tip to give at restaurants in the US?

[e30lov]

You guys DO realize if you suddenly quadruple the servers hourly rate, there is going to be a corresponding increase in the price of the food and drinks..........right?

So would you rather the money goes to the restaurant owner, or the people busting their ass to give you a good experience......I'm going with the servers/bartenders.

Tipping is part of the price of going out to eat, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out to eat or for drinks.

Well, I would much rather pay the extra couple bucks tword the restaurant then support some of the waiters/waitresses I've had over the years...

[agent]

Facts != bleeding heart argument.

Facts do not equal a bleeding heart argument.

That's exactly what I said.

Not once have I argued that they should be tipped extra simply because of the profession they chose.

If servers don't like the current pay set up they should elect a sort of change.

As maniac said earlier, this is a great idea if you like paying $34 for chicken pasta and $6 for a coke. The TGI Friday's bill for you and the missus goes from $35 to $50.

I tip well because I've been there and done that in every capacity from bus boy to Maitre'D. I pay it forward, because I'm a firm believer in karma. I'm not saying everyone should tip like I do. What I am saying is that the people who are regularly tipping 10% should probably not be dining in full service establishments.

But servers prey on people like you who tip just to tip and as a result they know they don't have to give proper or exceptional service to receive adequate compensation.

Quite the contrary. I get exceptional service at the places I frequent because they know I'm not cheap.

american motor companies...analogy

Oh boy... now that's a reach.

[mcr_driver]

Facts != bleeding heart argument. Don't confuse the two.

Facts do not equal a bleeding heart argument. Facts are only meant to suede an opinion on an argument one way or the other.

Your argument is basically because they have to share their money and because their base wage is not a lot due to the demands of the company they elected to work for we should tip them extra so everyone gets a fair amount of money to live on. That is ridiculous...

Again take this logic out of context to your own personal job. If you went to your job with this train of thought you'd be laughed at. Effective change comes from effective means and resolve. If servers don't like the current pay set up they should elect a sort of change. But servers pray on people like you who tip just to tip and as a result they know they don't have to give proper or exceptional service to receive adequate compensation. You're all effectively ruining the market by doing this. Again refer to my fake orgasm analogy. It's also why american motor companies tanked from the 80's to the 2000's, they got lazy and expected to receive xyz value's. Once american companies started losing a lot of money to foreign competition they got their act together and are they now barely on par with the competition. Now apply this analogy to servers.

Perhaps you expect less of servers and I expect more, I feel that if I can do the job properly so can you. I've waited several tables at once and was rewarded well for it, why? Because of my work ethic, did I get stiffed off course but did that phase me no. Again, why, because I did not count on that generosity coming in and merely kept striving to deliver exceptional service that I would have wanted to receive.

[z31maniac]

or be more realistic with your expectations seeing that the restaurant might be busy or perhaps the server thinks that refilling your coffee 8 times is absurd.

I think that's the biggest problem.

People have outrageous expectations of what "service" they should get at a restaurant.

"If you make a mistake, I'm docking your pay." Coming from someone who works in a job where if you make a mistake you likely won't even get a reprimand and definitely not a dock in pay.

[nando]

I'm sorry, but if the service sucks I'm not leaving a good tip. I've had service so bad, I actually left a penny as an insult.

I'm not a charity. Do your job well and you will be rewarded.

[Dozyproductions]

Granted Mr.Pink is an extreme case for myself I do take in to account the business of a restaurant but I've seen plenty of servers handle several tables like a champ and keep their refills in check along with their several food orders. Those that are on top of things deserve a fair tip whereas the others need to reevaluate their profession and make neccessary adjustments to their work style. By giving them a nice tip you're basically giving them a fake orgasm. They won't know they've done a poor job and to improve themselves if they know they will still get a good tip regardless. Why should I equally reward someone who does an ok service in comparison to those who do what is expected of them for their job. Trust me I don't get paid extra for dealing with an riduclous task like a champ yet we all expect them to get extra for the same?

Can't say I disagree with you. I've been a server for every situation; from casual to fine dining and each one of those situations calls for a different style of service. In the fine dining scene, you wouldn't believe the egos you have to almost battle with to give good service. LoL, I've served Italian mob before and been treated like a dog. The upside is that they knew that and tipped me %50 of the bill or about $250 :) But...if one is upset at tipping servers, they should be outraged that they have to tip a bar tender, especially the ones who don't give a damn or make crap drinks.

[agent]

I'll agree to disagree on the matter because there really is no point in trying to convince you on how ridiculous to me the bleeding heart argument is.

Facts != bleeding heart argument. Don't confuse the two.

[mcr_driver]

What most of the folks who share Mr. Pink's outlook on tipping don't realize is that in a lot (most?) of these places the servers also have to pay tips to their support staff. Depending on the establishment, that can include any combination of the bartender, the bar back, the busser, the back waiter, the host/hostess, the Maitre'D, the sommelier and the kitchen staff.

That can be up to 10% of their sales or 25% of their actual tips. So when you're tipping like a cheapskate, or not at all like Mr. Pink, you're taking money directly out of the server's pocket since they are responsible for paying a set tip share regardless of how much of a tightwad you choose to be.

I'll agree to disagree on the matter because there really is no point in trying to convince you on how ridiculous to me the bleeding heart argument is.

You should always be tipping a server. If you feel they don't deserve the tip in your opinion either they shouldn't be serving or you should learn more patience or be more realistic with your expectations seeing that the restaurant might be busy or perhaps the server thinks that refilling your coffee 8 times is absurd.

Granted Mr.Pink is an extreme case for myself I do take in to account the business of a restaurant but I've seen plenty of servers handle several tables like a champ and keep their refills in check along with their several food orders. Those that are on top of things deserve a fair tip whereas the others need to reevaluate their profession and make neccessary adjustments to their work style. By giving them a nice tip you're basically giving them a fake orgasm. They won't know they've done a poor job and to improve themselves if they know they will still get a good tip regardless. Why should I equally reward someone who does an ok service in comparison to those who do what is expected of them for their job. Trust me I don't get paid extra for dealing with an riduclous task like a champ yet we all expect them to get extra for the same?

[Dozyproductions]

You should always be tipping a server. If you feel they don't deserve the tip in your opinion either they shouldn't be serving or you should learn more patience or be more realistic with your expectations seeing that the restaurant might be busy or perhaps the server thinks that refilling your coffee 8 times is absurd.

[agent]

What most of the folks who share Mr. Pink's outlook on tipping don't realize is that in a lot (most?) of these places the servers also have to pay tips to their support staff. Depending on the establishment, that can include any combination of the bartender, the bar back, the busser, the back waiter, the host/hostess, the Maitre'D, the sommelier and the kitchen staff.

That can be up to 10% of their sales or 25% of their actual tips. So when you're tipping like a cheapskate, or not at all like Mr. Pink, you're taking money directly out of the server's pocket since they are responsible for paying a set tip share regardless of how much of a tightwad you choose to be.

[mcr_driver]

My answer to any question regarding tipping is follow mr.pink's rules on tipping. That being said I do tip regularly but can be considered a cheap jew as I do base it on performance and a lot of times those mistakes cost you in my book.

Yes i've worked a serving job, and no being a server is not that difficult. No it's stupid to think that you depend on my "generosity" to pay your rent. Tips are earned period, if you give a solid consistent service that is expected of your job you deserve a good tip. Anything less then that and you will lose some of if not all of that tip in my book. Yes I've also tipped ridiculously well when I've received ridiculously great service.

[z31maniac]

You left out a key part in my post. Pay these people a normal hourly wage, and let the customer have the option to tip them if they truly thought the service was exceptional.

This should stop the mass crying and bitching about tips for good.


I'm sorry, if you suck ass at customer service then I shouldn't be forced to tip you because society says I should.

You guys DO realize if you suddenly quadruple the servers hourly rate, there is going to be a corresponding increase in the price of the food and drinks..........right?

So would you rather the money goes to the restaurant owner, or the people busting their ass to give you a good experience......I'm going with the servers/bartenders.

Tipping is part of the price of going out to eat, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out to eat or for drinks.

[evandael]

so, did you watch that reservoir dogs clip and NOT hear how much of a dick that guy sounded like?


yep. you're that guy.

[e30lov]

Because they make TWO FUCKING DOLLARS AN HOUR. They are not entitled to that 25%, but if you are well taken care of you should take good care of them.



Okay, name 25. Then of those 25, name 5 (not in the service industry) in which the job holder must rely on tips from customers as their primary source of income, since taxes and withholding effectively zero out any chance of receiving an actual paycheck.

You left out a key part in my post. Pay these people a normal hourly wage, and let the customer have the option to tip them if they truly thought the service was exceptional.

This should stop the mass crying and bitching about tips for good.


I'm sorry, if you suck ass at customer service then I shouldn't be forced to tip you because society says I should.

[Roysneon]

Our brunch tab yesterday was $135, we tipped $45. We are remembered and get fantastic service at the places we frequent.

A typical brunch/dinner tab for the two of is $100 with a $30 tip.

Bunch of cheap waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffless ITT

Yup. A bunch of tightwads with small dicks trying to sound tough by belittling others can be found as well.