Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[Redfox]

what do you mean by those "types of people" again thats an ignorant statement, DUUUUDE! BROOOO.."And then pull the race card" so because you experienced someone pull the race card, you are go stereotyping and judging people based on their race instead of their actions now?...You, ARE EXACTLY WHAT you're complaining about! In one hand you are claiming some types of people pull the race card, on the other hand you're judging them based on their race...:roll: Go do some soul searching, bro :D.

The geniuses that these cops were, they could have let the guy get the dog situated back in the car, since he wasn't been arrested for a violent crime. If you take a good look at that video, right at the moment the dog was shot, you could actually see that the cop himself lunged himself in front of the dog with his hand.which provoked the dog to jump high.

Since you're an expert, why don't you go write a book on how to train dogs in German and English. and make sure to go the "hood" to sell some copies cause I'm sure those "types of people" will want some.

Sure thing 'mam. Are you pmsing? Your emotions seem to get the best of ya! You may want to go change that tamp

ACTIONS speak louder than words. The way this man was ACTING, BEHAVING, leads a perfect and open opportunity to come up and approach him, ask him questions. The officers were not in the wrong. The dog charged them first, and because it was an untrained dog and did not submit it was shot. But I suppose again we should wait for the dog to bite someone while we let this man take the time to walk it back to the car again. He had plenty of time to roll windows up, or not intensify the situation by waving a camera around, acting loud, ignorant, and suspicious in an already high stress crime scene/situation.

You are reasoning with emotion, which is not facts. When you don't involve your emotions in an argument and can provide facts, then come talk to me. I don't train anything in german. My boyfriend's rottweiler is a trained german rottie. People like you blame everyone else for their problems. You have the mentality of a child. Always someone else's fault.

But we won't argue back with facts or reason, noooooooo, we won't do that. We will argue with nit picking bits and pieces of a post because that somehow ruins the credibility, though animal behavior and the facts of the matter are the meat and potatoes of the thread, not the napkin or salt and pepper around it. How old are you, 15?

[frankenbeemer]

Saw this and passing it along for those that would like to write or call.

The "piece of shit" is not the shooter, he is the departmental spokesman. Might as well condemn anyone with Swain in their name.

Swain's art store in Glendale found itself as an unlikely target of public furry after an online video of a Hawthorne police officer shooting a Rottweiler to death went viral Monday.

How Swain’s got dragged into the public blowback appears to be the result of a roughshod search performed by a handful of bloggers.
The bloggers apparently did a quick online search for the name of the only Hawthorne police officer associated to the shooting incident’s response — because he’s the department’s spokesman. But even then, they pulled and posted the address for the art store.

So by Monday morning, not only was the public told to direct their anger at a police official who was merely acting as a spokesman, but they were disseminating the address of an art store 24 miles away in Glendale.

http://www.glendalenewspress.com/news/tn-gnp-glendale-store-dragged-into-maelstrom-over-hawthorne-police-shooting-of-rottweiler-20130702,0,4290714.story

[LSM3]

Replace the cops with a man and his children and everyone here would be ok with the shooting. If a large, aggressive, unrestrained dog comes at me, my family or friends and I have a gun, knife, bat or sword. I'm putting it down. Point blank. Done deal. I'm not waiting for it to bite me. I'm not waiting till it lunges so many times etc. Im not a freakin dog whisperer. Im not going to stand there and REASON with a animal that could seriously hurt me or people around me. That's what I'm going to do and I don't expect anything less from anyone else. If that dog would have attacked anyone else on that block people would be bitching that the cops let it run wild and attack people. Its a lose/lose.

[Arems87e]

First of all, don't refer to me as a dude, bro, because I'm not. Step off.

Second of all, I live in a town that is being taken over with the same ignorant types of people, who test the waters with police, question their authority, and pull the race card, privileges (or lack there of), bad situations, etc all the time.

The guy shouldn't have been there in the first place, he brought the large dog there, he left the windows down enough for it to jump out and he pissed off the cops, more his fault than the cops. I love animals but i would have shot it if it had come at me.

The problem with mace and tazer is that a dog like a rotti (I love rotties, I was a vet asst for a year so this was hard to see) will fight or die to protect their owner. Mace or tazing generally doesn't stop these dogs that are determined to sacrifice their lives for their owners. I feel awful for the dog. But the fault lies in the hands of the owner for putting the dog in the situation to begin with. He knows his dog would protect him and leaving the windows wide open was an invitation for the dog to come and freak out on who was "hurting" their master.

If this guy was such a great owner, the dog would have been trained enough to follow simple commands such as "stop, sit, heel," etc. It comes down to it being the OWNERS fault, he put the dog in that situation. Had he not antagonized the police and walked by without purpose, making an obvious attempt to cause a disturbance in what appeared to be a pretty serious crime scene/bust (judging by the 4 other cop cars there) the dog would be alive. Or if he had properly trained the dog to obey and sit, the dog would be alive.

Der Affe, my boyfriend, has a German bred rottweiler, who knows commands in English as well as German. The dog obeys and listens to everything he says. If you are going to own a dog that weighs 100-150 pounds that was bred to defend till the death of/for the owner, masters, pack, etc, you need to train it. I've seen too many cases such as these come into our vet clinic, and because the dog thought the owner was threatened, ended up having to be shot to get it's jaws off of persons. I can't tell you the number of attacks that happen from untrained dogs that end up in the dog having to be put down, all because it was doing what was instinctual. It isn't the dog's fault, again, it was/is the owners.

After your dog (who is untrained, didn't know any better, owner negligence) who attacked somebody is euthanized, we cut through the skull with a dremmel and remove your dog's brain. The brain is then sent out to be screened for rabies and the like. Your dog gets dragged away and put down because of aggression and being untrained. You can't even view the body unless you would like to pay extra for the skull cap to be put back in place and the scalp of the animal stitched back together.

Moral of the story? Take your dog to classes or train them correctly, don't put your dog in situations that could intentionally lead to the dogs demise. It comes down to it being the owners fault.

what do you mean by those "types of people" again thats an ignorant statement, DUUUUDE! BROOOO.."And then pull the race card" so because you experienced someone pull the race card, you are go stereotyping and judging people based on their race instead of their actions now?...You, ARE EXACTLY WHAT you're complaining about! In one hand you are claiming some types of people pull the race card, on the other hand you're judging them based on their race...:roll: Go do some soul searching, bro :D.

The geniuses that these cops were, they could have let the guy get the dog situated back in the car, since he wasn't been arrested for a violent crime. If you take a good look at that video, right at the moment the dog was shot, you could actually see that the cop himself lunged himself in front of the dog with his hand.which provoked the dog to jump high.

Since you're an expert, why don't you go write a book on how to train dogs in German and English. and make sure to go the "hood" to sell some copies cause I'm sure those "types of people" will want some.

[smitche]

I'm not saying anything about the dogs behavior, I'm saying had he not been detained the dog would have never attacked, situation resolved. I don't care what you or I assume, the law is the law is the law, that is fact!

[Redfox]

Because nobody cares about your résumé! Bottom line, if he had not been detained for exercising his rights, the situation everybody would have went home safe and sound. The sticks and stones defense does nothing for me. By your mentality I suppose you find it ok to punch someone for calling you a name, guess what, that's called assault, and is illegal. POLICE ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!

You can't make any qualified judgements over animal positioning and behavior if you have no experience. Being someone who has experience I can accurately respond. But apparently know all tell all, who has no experience and is reacting out of emotion rather than thought out facts , thinks that they are right. Again, without using facts. Emotions do not equal facts. I am a dog lover/animal lover and this was hard to see. However the facts remain that it is the owners' fault.

The animal was charging at them. It did not submit. It was untrained, it was off leash in a situation that was already high alert.

For you to assume I would punch someone in the face for calling a name is ignorant. If someone(thing) who was the size/weight of an adult human was charging at me with a weapon in their hand because I am touching their family/owner/whatever (TEETH AND JAWS ARE WEAPONS) you bet your ass I would shoot and defend myself. Whether it is a bear, a dog, a bobcat, a human. Why would I wait for it to already begin attacking me and allowing it to lock it's jaws onto me or one of my own? You are ignorant as hell lol.

Bottom line, if the dog were trained it would have submitted and the police would not have seen it as a threat, and it would be alive. If the owner didn't put the dog in this position, it would be alive. If the owner didn't pace back and forth against an "opposing pack" that is strange and unknown, and allowed it to access this pack as they approached and touched one of it's own, it would be alive.

IT IS THE OWNERS NEGLIGENCE. THAT IS ALL. There is absolutely nothing to argue as far as whose fault it is.

Oh, by the way, had the dog attacked officers and they had not shot at it, the dog would have been euthanized, it's skull would be drilled open, and brain yanked out and sent out for rabies and other tests that they run, and study, to see if there are abnormalities. But I guess THAT would be okay, because it's not a gun shooting the dog. Shooting a dog is terrible, but either way this dog would have been dead no matter what the officers actions would have been, whether they shot or not. If they tazed it would have pissed this dog off more than a Mormon who comes to church with no seats left. Macing it would have pissed it off more. The dog is only dead because of the owners' irresponsibility.

[smitche]

Because nobody cares about your résumé! Bottom line, if he had not been detained for exercising his rights, everybody would have gone home safe and sound. The sticks and stones defense does nothing for me. By your mentality I suppose you find it ok to punch someone for calling you a name, guess what, that's called assault, and is illegal. POLICE ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW!

[Redfox]

lol @ redfox calling the guy ghetto. you must be the type of person that clutches your purse if a black dude is nearby you.

anyway while I agree he shouldn't have antagonized the cops, there was still no reason to put him in cuffs. If the owner wasn't cuffed the situation could've been easily diffused.

Sorry sweetheart, I don't carry a purse. I don't clutch anything, but the white trash/black trash/hispanic trash/asian trash around the outskirts of my area I do pay a bit more attention to who is around me.

The mentality of making a spectacle of yourself waving your phone/camera around TRYING to make a serious and potential life/death matter a joke is ignorant. Who knows if he was ghetto. Walking past a group of officers when there is a school of cop cars outside the house, waving a camera around, blaring music, being obnoxious in a serious situation lacks common sense.

But again, no one wants to argue with the rest of the post I added. I have experience with animals, I worked in a 24 hour emergency clinic upwards of 60 hours a week, 16 hour days. I have seen some terrible things and almost every situation you can imagine, especially animal behaviors/aggression/attacks/etc. As someone who has been in the many different situations and thousands of hours of experience, I feel pretty qualified to post the response that I did. It doesn't matter what or who the man is. That has nothing to do with this thread at all. What it comes down to, as I have said probably 5 times now, the dog is dead because his lack of common sense, his irresponsibility, and his actions. Quit nit picking and picking points to argue with. Not everything that is filmed of police makes them corrupt. There's burnt chips in every bag, bad apples in every bunch.

If a dog that was anywhere from 100-150 pounds came charging at me after touching/handling someone who was up to suspicious behavior, I would defend myself as well as my fellow officers. If the dog were trained correctly it would have heeled, sat, or laid down. The position of crouching with its head pointed but lowered is an aggressive attack position.

Not that I would know or anything, seeing as how at our Emergency 24 Hour Veterinary Clinic we have had to put down dogs who have attacked people/had aggression issues, etc.

Like I said, I feel bad for the dog, it's a sad story and brutal. But the owner should have known better, rolled up the windows, or not walked with the dog on the leash back and forth several times. The dog sees that group as another "pack" and if challenged or feeling threatened, will attack.

[z6ne]

lol @ redfox calling the guy ghetto. you must be the type of person that clutches your purse if a black dude is nearby you.

[Deltron Dirty30]

lol @ redfox calling the guy ghetto. you must be the type of person that clutches your purse if a black dude is nearby you.

anyway while I agree he shouldn't have antagonized the cops, there was still no reason to put him in cuffs. If the owner wasn't cuffed the situation could've been easily diffused.

[Redfox]

He had every right to be there, and every right to question their authority (which you assume he did). He had every right to be walking with his dog. Police are not above reproach, and they are not above the law. Detaining him for video recording, exercising his 1st amendment rights, and legality walking around with his docile/leashed dog is unlawful. It is an abuse of power and needs to stop. Again, unless he was threatening them, he say whatever he pleases. Nobody should have to be afraid to "test the waters" with law enforcement!!!

Sure he had every right, but it's his fault his dog is dead, so the whining over it is hypocritical. But apparently all cops are corrupt, even when doing their job. Interrupting someone from their work, (which could be a life and death matter, who knows) is perfectly fine, because its "in his rights." There's a thing called common sense. On that day, he lacked using that ability. And his dog paid the price.

But I addressed a lot in the rest of the response, so please don't pick and choose what seems convenient to argue with.

[frankenbeemer]

What's wrong with the first part of my post?

You think baggy shorts are illegal?

[E30 Wagen]

Yeah i suppose i don't agree with the racial jab as stated, but the rest regarding the unnecessary force.

What's wrong with the first part of my post?

[GaryE30]

^^ we need a racist commie button here.

Yeah i suppose i don't agree with the racial jab as stated, but the rest regarding the unnecessary force.

[smitche]

First of all, don't refer to me as a dude, bro, because I'm not. Step off.

Second of all, I live in a town that is being taken over with the same ignorant types of people, who test the waters with police, question their authority, and pull the race card, privileges (or lack there of), bad situations, etc all the time.

The guy shouldn't have been there in the first place, he brought the large dog there, he left the windows down enough for it to jump out and he pissed off the cops, more his fault than the cops. I love animals but i would have shot it if it had come at me.

The problem with mace and tazer is that a dog like a rotti (I love rotties, I was a vet asst for a year so this was hard to see) will fight or die to protect their owner. Mace or tazing generally doesn't stop these dogs that are determined to sacrifice their lives for their owners. I feel awful for the dog. But the fault lies in the hands of the owner for putting the dog in the situation to begin with. He knows his dog would protect him and leaving the windows wide open was an invitation for the dog to come and freak out on who was "hurting" their master.

If this guy was such a great owner, the dog would have been trained enough to follow simple commands such as "stop, sit, heel," etc. It comes down to it being the OWNERS fault, he put the dog in that situation. Had he not antagonized the police and walked by without purpose, making an obvious attempt to cause a disturbance in what appeared to be a pretty serious crime scene/bust (judging by the 4 other cop cars there) the dog would be alive. Or if he had properly trained the dog to obey and sit, the dog would be alive.

Der Affe, my boyfriend, has a German bred rottweiler, who knows commands in English as well as German. The dog obeys and listens to everything he says. If you are going to own a dog that weighs 100-150 pounds that was bred to defend till the death of/for the owner, masters, pack, etc, you need to train it. I've seen too many cases such as these come into our vet clinic, and because the dog thought the owner was threatened, ended up having to be shot to get it's jaws off of persons. I can't tell you the number of attacks that happen from untrained dogs that end up in the dog having to be put down, all because it was doing what was instinctual. It isn't the dog's fault, again, it was/is the owners.

After your dog (who is untrained, didn't know any better, owner negligence) who attacked somebody is euthanized, we cut through the skull with a dremmel and remove your dog's brain. The brain is then sent out to be screened for rabies and the like. Your dog gets dragged away and put down because of aggression and being untrained. You can't even view the body unless you would like to pay extra for the skull cap to be put back in place and the scalp of the animal stitched back together.

Moral of the story? Take your dog to classes or train them correctly, don't put your dog in situations that could intentionally lead to the dogs demise. It comes down to it being the owners fault.

He had every right to be there, and every right to question their authority (which you assume he did). He had every right to be walking with his dog. Police are not above reproach, and they are not above the law. Detaining him for video recording, exercising his 1st amendment rights, and legality walking around with his docile/leashed dog is unlawful. It is an abuse of power and needs to stop. Again, unless he was threatening them, he say whatever he pleases. Nobody should have to be afraid to "test the waters" with law enforcement!!!