Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[delatlanta1281]

It has nothing to do with pits. You can train a cocker spaniel to be just as aggressive. The same can be said about rotties I own bot (rescues). And foster as well. It's insane for people to blame breed. Owner is to blame in this instance, I agree. But split second decisions must be made in every circumstance, and a decision was made. I doubt the officers were stoked at the end of the day.

[der affe]

ok i can finally reply.

firstly fear and red fox are correct. this is the fault of the owner PERIOD!
When you own a dog that is concidered a "dangerous" breed, YOU have a higher resonability to be aware of the perception your dog has already been branded with.

too many males equate the size of their COCKs with the agressivness of the dog. sorry but that is true!

i spent the first 6 month of my ownership of my rotti training and socializing him. i am constantly "AXED" if i want to breed him. the thought of an irrsponsible owner having a rotti makes me shutter.

bad owners have caused pitbulls to be branded as dangerous breeds, the same thing almost happened to rotti's in the 80's when they were popular.

[z6ne]

I like pits.
this thread sucks

[Redfox]

Aw fuck it, I'm in this now. It's funny red fox, as someone who claims to have worked with animals, this strikes a chord within me.
Exactly who are you to generalize "pit bulls"? Pit bull owners????? What are you saying? I'm a pitt bull owner.
How about rephrasing your statement to irresponsible dog owners instead of spreading more misinformation about the breed?
Thanks.

Pit bulls, like any dog, are conditioned. The number of pitbull attacks that we had in our clinic (having to terminate the dog) over any other breed was large. A pitbull ripped a small boys face off, and officers brought the dog to us. When you train the dog to fight or put it conditions that make it aggressive, that is on the owner. Many of the owners who brought pits in had very well behaved pits. But for attacks and ones we were forced to euthanize, pits were probably 8 out of every 10 on that list. I helped train, rehabilitate, and adopt out more pits than I can count. Some were advised not to be around other dogs, as they were dog aggressive. Some were food aggressive. Some were child aggressive. The ones that we could save we did.



Ones that are locked in cages in the back yard with no shade, social interaction, and get loose and attack people are a different story. We had more pits than any other breed that had aggression problems, which of course is more than likely the owners' fault. Some are just more aggressive than others. If you can handle and control your dog its a different story. Some were brought back and just "snapped" and attacked the new owners it was rehomed to. Some never had a problem with their dog, ever, with aggression, until one day it snapped. Like the one that ripped the small boys face off. He was rushed to the ER and they had to retrieve his nose from the dogs mouth. You can't save every dog.

Trained pit bulls are a different story.


By the way, the dog that ripped the childs face off was calm, collected, and laying on the floor waiting for the owners to come and sit with it while it was put down. You wouldn't think the dog was capable of it, had there not been blood all around the dogs face and chest.

The problem with pits is that they are bred and dumped over and over. It's so hard to trace history, with health, with aggression, with psychological problems. There are too many back yard breeders. If you are ever to get a dog, rescuing is great and I fully encourage it. Just be aware of potential issues that may come with it. The best bet is going to an actual breeder, paying the money for the paperwork, seeing the parents, family, and bloodlines. You can trace back any and all problems with the dog. You are better off making a safe, informed, (more expensive) decision with buying from a reputable breeder. NOT a pet store, NOT craigslist, NOT the guy around the corner with free puppies. If you decide to rescue one, get it classes, train it, and expose it to different people, sights, smells, sounds, and touches. That is ultimately your best bet, with positive reenforcement.


A few pits that were adopted out were the sweetest most gentle dogs I have ever met. We adopted out a Pit/Chihuaha duo named Dude (the Pitt) and (Keggar) the chi. Dude was the kindest, sweetest, most gentle and loving dog we had there. I cried when he left, I wish I could have taken him home. Not all pits are bad. When you have irresponsible owners for any breed, shit happens. Breeds such as pits and rotties are already on the "dangerous dog" lists, and are banned from many areas. That's why special training for these dogs, if you decide to have them, will only help with a long and healthy life for the pet. Nothing is more traumatic for a dog than being dumped off because its becoming aggressive and the owner doesn't know how to deal with it, or the dog got big and they got bored, and it became destructive, etc.

[delatlanta1281]

THIS

It's just like irresponsible pit bull owners

Aw fuck it, I'm in this now. It's funny red fox, as someone who claims to have worked with animals, this strikes a chord within me.
Exactly who are you to generalize "pit bulls"? Pit bull owners????? What are you saying? I'm a pitt bull owner.
How about rephrasing your statement to irresponsible dog owners instead of spreading more misinformation about the breed?
Thanks.

[5ickride]

I dont think you can argue that the cop did not have the right to put the dog down as he was being attacked. No, the argument here is the cops actions that triggered the chain of events that happened after. Like mentioned before, if he was not under arrest, they should have let the guy control his dog.

[Redfox]

Look at the cop still in posture, pointing the gun at the poor dog dying, as it might just get up, turn into godzilla and come after him....smh what a shame of a cop!

So we should allow the dog to suffer and roll around on the ground dying instead of finishing it off and putting it out of it's misery? I would rather my dog die immediately over painful and slow death. Chances are the dogs lungs were filling with blood and its nervous system with adrenaline was going haywire. It would continue to do this for what could be another 5-10 minutes.

You must be the ones who refuse to euthanize a dog or consider it inhumane, despite how sick it is. Real animal lover.

[Arems87e]

Saw this and passing it along for those that would like to write or call.

Look at the cop still in posture, pointing the gun at the poor dog dying, as it might just get up, turn into godzilla and come after him....smh what a shame of a cop!

[Redfox]

You seem like a really anal person.

edit: ,bro.

Oh, extremely when it comes to certain things, like civil matters/law/rights, etc. I'm very organized, I read a lot, I research a lot, just for knowledge. I took law academy, and look at each situation on the facts, not emotions surrounding it. Applying factual knowledge vs feelings generally gives you the right answer to go with.


Thanks 'mam ;)

[Redfox]

Using your own words..
You need to be telling those trigger happy live target cops that. OK Bro?

Giving your statements here, you're no different from that dumb cop that shot the dog. Don't give me that bullshit that you're an animal lover. I don't care how much time you've spent with animals or slept with them.

THE GUY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND TO FILM THEM. END OF STORY

You don't know me, I own two dogs that are the most spoiled dogs in the world. I have helped save many lives of dogs. YOU ARE ACTING OFF EMOTION. Maybe when your hormonal changes of your monthly wear off you'll think clearly.

A cop is dumb for doing their job. And I'm dumb for supporting the cops decision to defend himself and fellow officers? Yeah, you definitely need some growing up to do buddy. I guess the other half of this thread are all animal haters and dumb too, right?

[z6ne]

Sooo we are going to lock this right?

[z6ne]

You can't make any qualified judgements over animal positioning and behavior if you have no experience. Being someone who has experience I can accurately respond. But apparently know all tell all, who has no experience and is reacting out of emotion rather than thought out facts , thinks that they are right. Again, without using facts. Emotions do not equal facts. I am a dog lover/animal lover and this was hard to see. However the facts remain that it is the owners' fault.

The animal was charging at them. It did not submit. It was untrained, it was off leash in a situation that was already high alert.

For you to assume I would punch someone in the face for calling a name is ignorant. If someone(thing) who was the size/weight of an adult human was charging at me with a weapon in their hand because I am touching their family/owner/whatever (TEETH AND JAWS ARE WEAPONS) you bet your ass I would shoot and defend myself. Whether it is a bear, a dog, a bobcat, a human. Why would I wait for it to already begin attacking me and allowing it to lock it's jaws onto me or one of my own? You are ignorant as hell lol.

Bottom line, if the dog were trained it would have submitted and the police would not have seen it as a threat, and it would be alive. If the owner didn't put the dog in this position, it would be alive. If the owner didn't pace back and forth against an "opposing pack" that is strange and unknown, and allowed it to access this pack as they approached and touched one of it's own, it would be alive.

IT IS THE OWNERS NEGLIGENCE. THAT IS ALL. There is absolutely nothing to argue as far as whose fault it is.

Oh, by the way, had the dog attacked officers and they had not shot at it, the dog would have been euthanized, it's skull would be drilled open, and brain yanked out and sent out for rabies and other tests that they run, and study, to see if there are abnormalities. But I guess THAT would be okay, because it's not a gun shooting the dog. Shooting a dog is terrible, but either way this dog would have been dead no matter what the officers actions would have been, whether they shot or not. If they tazed it would have pissed this dog off more than a Mormon who comes to church with no seats left. Macing it would have pissed it off more. The dog is only dead because of the owners' irresponsibility.

You seem like a really anal person.

edit: , bro.

[smitche]

Re-watch the video, they were not questioning, they detained him before the dog even got excited. Again, had he not been detained, the dog would have never been provoked and gotten excited. It was docile as cam be until his best friend was cuffed. This has nothing to do with emotion, only stating facts.

[delatlanta1281]

Sooo we are going to lock this right?
Was the dog leashed? I'm not watching it.

[Arems87e]

You can't make any qualified judgements over animal positioning and behavior if you have no experience. Being someone who has experience I can accurately respond. But apparently know all tell all, who has no experience and is reacting out of emotion rather than thought out facts , thinks that they are right. Again, without using facts. Emotions do not equal facts. I am a dog lover/animal lover and this was hard to see. However the facts remain that it is the owners' fault.

The animal was charging at them. It did not submit. It was untrained, it was off leash in a situation that was already high alert.

For you to assume I would punch someone in the face for calling a name is ignorant. If someone(thing) who was the size/weight of an adult human was charging at me with a weapon in their hand because I am touching their family/owner/whatever (TEETH AND JAWS ARE WEAPONS) you bet your ass I would shoot and defend myself. Whether it is a bear, a dog, a bobcat, a human. Why would I wait for it to already begin attacking me and allowing it to lock it's jaws onto me or one of my own? You are ignorant as hell lol.

Bottom line, if the dog were trained it would have submitted and the police would not have seen it as a threat, and it would be alive. If the owner didn't put the dog in this position, it would be alive. If the owner didn't pace back and forth against an "opposing pack" that is strange and unknown, and allowed it to access this pack as they approached and touched one of it's own, it would be alive.

IT IS THE OWNERS NEGLIGENCE. THAT IS ALL. There is absolutely nothing to argue as far as whose fault it is.

Oh, by the way, had the dog attacked officers and they had not shot at it, the dog would have been euthanized, it's skull would be drilled open, and brain yanked out and sent out for rabies and other tests that they run, and study, to see if there are abnormalities. But I guess THAT would be okay, because it's not a gun shooting the dog. Shooting a dog is terrible, but either way this dog would have been dead no matter what the officers actions would have been, whether they shot or not. If they tazed it would have pissed this dog off more than a Mormon who comes to church with no seats left. Macing it would have pissed it off more. The dog is only dead because of the owners' irresponsibility.

Using your own words..
You need to be telling those trigger happy live target cops that. OK Bro?

Giving your statements here, you're no different from that dumb cop that shot the dog. Don't give me that bullshit that you're an animal lover. I don't care how much time you've spent with animals or slept with them.

THE GUY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND TO FILM THEM. END OF STORY