Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[frankenbeemer]

At least your dog will not be the cause of your incarceration, only your own stupidity.

That is great news! No more police officers misusing their authority. Also, declawing your cat will reduce the deficit.

[Arems87e]

Did you watch the video? That pic is literally maybe 1.5 seconds after the first shot is fired.

The 4 shots happened......then what, half a second to holster the gun and assume a non-defensive position? You probably can't even shift your ratty G260 that quickly, much less assess the threat is eliminated, holster the gun, resume a normal stance?

It's fucking amazing the jumps in logic you internet detectives make.

YOU need go what the the video again not me, even after the dog had rolled on to the street twitching on the ground, the cop was still pointing the freaking gun..and standing about 20ft. Yea, what a threat
I'm not saying he should have put the gun back in the holster, but demn he could at least lower his harm. but whatever he prob was in a different state or may be tensed

[der affe]

I am so glad my dog is well trained (in German, no less). It is a relief to know that I will never be harassed, intimidated, or wrongfully arrested for exercising my civil liberties because my dog is well trained.

At least your dog will not be the cause of your incarceration, only your own stupidity.

[frankenbeemer]

I am so glad my dog is well trained (in German, no less). It is a relief to know that I will never be harassed, intimidated, or wrongfully arrested for exercising my civil liberties because my dog is well trained.

[der affe]

I didnt say i was afraid of it, and my dog is very well behaved and very well trained. He just wasnt socialized much as a puppy. But believe me, we are working on overcoming the crazy hyper jumping thing with visitors. I expect nothing less than perfect behavior from him. Was just stating that my dog would most definitely get shot by a cop in his current state, and as his owner, i wouldnt be surprised if an officer felt threatened with a dog such as mine charging and barking at him. I am in the police academy myself, and completely understand the rationality of scenarios such as the one in the video. Does it make it easier to watch or do? no, but its one of the nasty thing that occasionally comes up in the line of work.

Also der affe, maybe it was just me, but the tone of your response to mine was a bit dickish, uncalled for, and over the top.

HERV A NERC DER

I am not sure what dialect of TEXAN you are speaking in the last statement, so I am no sure what you are trying to say. Sorry, I have no retort.

I was simply stating the truth and a jumping teeth bearing large dog IS NOT well behaved, (it is also not socialized). By your own admittance it's current state of behavior could cause it to have laboured breathing VIA lead poisoning, if it was in contact with one of the local constabulary.

If he was to behave in this manner to a stranger outside of your house, all it takes is a threatening dog complaint to local animal control and you now have fines and cort orders to seek and complete dog training ( I have a friend who works for animal control so I know this happens) because of your dogs "agressive" behavior.
This will also establish a record of "agressive" behavior with the local animal control (legally documented) and subsequent falls could result in your dog being euthanized.


If the truth hurts you so much, my petite, special flower; then maybe police work my not be such a good idea. As you can tell by people's reaction in both this thread and and on the video, you will face far greater adversity in the line of duty than a sharp tongued reaction to you dog's ill behavior.

[markt51]

If you are so afraid of this, then you also know that this is unacceptable behavior from your dog. Get some training for your dog (or hell buy some Dog Whisper DVDs)

Christ people, it is not that fucking hard to train your fucking dog how to properly behave. It is also your GOD DAM responsibility as a dog owner. A jumping, snapping, hyper excited dog is never acceptable. Would you let your fucking kids act like this? ( I hope not!) Treat your dog like your child and expect it to behave like the offspring you hope to have.

I didnt say i was afraid of it, and my dog is very well behaved and very well trained. He just wasnt socialized much as a puppy. But believe me, we are working on overcoming the crazy hyper jumping thing with visitors. I expect nothing less than perfect behavior from him. Was just stating that my dog would most definitely get shot by a cop in his current state, and as his owner, i wouldnt be surprised if an officer felt threatened with a dog such as mine charging and barking at him. I am in the police academy myself, and completely understand the rationality of scenarios such as the one in the video. Does it make it easier to watch or do? no, but its one of the nasty thing that occasionally comes up in the line of work.

Also der affe, maybe it was just me, but the tone of your response to mine was a bit dickish, uncalled for, and over the top.

HERV A NERC DER

[der affe]

Whats sad is it looks like the cop didnt even have the decency to finish off the dog, he just let it lay there and die. The dog didnt even appear that aggressive.

My little West Highland White terrier would for sure get shot by cops. He is nice and doesnt bite, but he jumps and snaps(excited kind of snapping, not aggressive) on new people that come in the door, and he barks. Lets not even get started on how he freaks the fuck out if he sees a gun, even a finger gun lol.

If you are so afraid of this, then you also know that this is unacceptable behavior from your dog. Get some training for your dog (or hell buy some Dog Whisper DVDs)

Christ people, it is not that fucking hard to train your fucking dog how to properly behave. It is also your GOD DAM responsibility as a dog owner. A jumping, snapping, hyper excited dog is never acceptable. Would you let your fucking kids act like this? ( I hope not!) Treat your dog like your child and expect it to behave like the offspring you hope to have.

[der affe]

A dog can cover ground very quickly (look at videos of police dogs training or taking down a suspect) by the time they tried to tazer or mace the dog ( which in this situation would have most likely been ineffective) & it had no effect the dog would have been on top of and biting the officers to protect it's packleader (I will call him "baggy pants" as he was so elegantly named earlier in the thread).

I highly doubt the officer was high fiving the fact that he killed a dog today, but shooting it was the most effective way of removing the threat ( a threat brought about by the negligence of it's owner) to himself and his fellow officers.

There is not sunday morning General mentality about this like "he should have wounded the dog" or any other statements that come up.

[markt51]

Whats sad is it looks like the cop didnt even have the decency to finish off the dog, he just let it lay there and die. The dog didnt even appear that aggressive.

My little West Highland White terrier would for sure get shot by cops. He is nice and doesnt bite, but he jumps and snaps(excited kind of snapping, not aggressive) on new people that come in the door, and he barks. Lets not even get started on how he freaks the fuck out if he sees a gun, even a finger gun lol.

[!kid]

what I don't get, why would the cop use his gun and not pepper spray or a taser?

[smitche]

You're a disrespectful dumbass if you do.

The typical response to what I just wrote usually entails "then you're a mindless, ignorant sheep, and blah blah..." No, I simply have respect for the people who have to deal with onerous social situations day after day for the sake of removing degenerates from our society. Cops don't want to hurt anybody. They just want fulfilment from the work they do, which I think is something we can all relate to, but I don't think many can relate to working in the public eye and the endless criticism that comes with it. Unfortunately I think this makes some cops resent society...

My uncle is a cop and a firefighter and an emt, and he's very good at all of them and I have a lot of respect for that, which should explain my feelings about cops here.


Don't be rediculous. How did I even remotely imply his outfit warrants some kind of civil infraction? Dressing less like a gangster probably would have got him off, though. Add an aggrandizing, middle-aged black male to the equation and what do you expect. Instant target for a cop who's already on high alert. It's difficult not to roll your eyes and think "saw that coming." It sucks; it's like there will never be an end to racial profiling b/c it just keeps reinforcing itself. I think we'd all like to move on and live in a more cohesive society.

Yet it's a funny paradox watching the guy describe the situation and it's clear that he has a calm personality (and I bet his dog did as well). So, what the hell drew him to the situation there in the first place? To fight "The Man?" There are better ways, dude, and it doesn't involve confronting on-the-job law enforcement. In the big picture, race is not the issue, but about people who let their emotions dictate their behavior; they get all worked up, poor decisions get made, and then shit gets real very fast.

Haha, judge me sir... But I'm the kind of guy that makes sure you're treated fairly by law enforcement. I'm the kind of guy that makes sure law enforcement officials are held accountable for their actions, and are not held above the law. You can call me all the names you want, but you don't know me, you done know how I treat others, including law enforcement. I've worked with and have respect for many officers... Hell, I've had officials testify on my behalf... But respect is earned, not given just because you have a badge. The fact remains, there is nothing in these videos that show the dogs owner doing anything illegal, yet he was detained by officers which, in turn, provoked his dog to protect him, and the dog was killed. Had the dog not been provoked, this post wouldn't exist. That is the bottom line. Yes, the dog lunged... Yes, the dog was a threat, and yes, the dog was shot because of that. However, the dog was provoked due to unlawful detainment of his owner. Can anybody really argue that? And guess what, it doesn't matter what the owners intentions were, he did nothing illegal (no charges filed) and therefore should not have been detained.
I still stand my ground, he was detained unlawfully which provoked his dog... Law enforcement should be held accountable.

ps - I have not personally attacked anyone in this thread, and would appreciate the same courtesy.

[der affe]

That dog did not deserve to die, but that fucker that owned it should be banned from owning anything but a hampster from this point on. That way his asinine posturing can not cause the demise of any other animals.

[Deltron Dirty30]

nah man i dont have a dog or even a pet but that dog did not deserve to die.

he wasnt doing anything illegal. honestly the first time i watched it, I thought they were going to just come over there and talk to him instead of arresting him.

[ak-]

Not sure if it was posted yet / I didn't read the whole thread, but have you guys seen what was going on beforehand lol? This guy was asking for it.
Stopping, staring, parking and getting out, stupid loud music, etc.

[E30 Wagen]

Nobody should have to be afraid to "test the waters" with law enforcement!!!

You're a disrespectful dumbass if you do.

The typical response to what I just wrote usually entails "then you're a mindless, ignorant sheep, and blah blah..." No, I simply have respect for the people who have to deal with onerous social situations day after day for the sake of removing degenerates from our society. Cops don't want to hurt anybody. They just want fulfilment from the work they do, which I think is something we can all relate to, but I don't think many can relate to working in the public eye and the endless criticism that comes with it. Unfortunately I think this makes some cops resent society...

My uncle is a cop and a firefighter and an emt, and he's very good at all of them and I have a lot of respect for that, which should explain my feelings about cops here.

You think baggy shorts are illegal?

Don't be rediculous. How did I even remotely imply his outfit warrants some kind of civil infraction? Dressing less like a gangster probably would have got him off, though. Add an aggrandizing, middle-aged black male to the equation and what do you expect. Instant target for a cop who's already on high alert. It's difficult not to roll your eyes and think "saw that coming." It sucks; it's like there will never be an end to racial profiling b/c it just keeps reinforcing itself. I think we'd all like to move on and live in a more cohesive society.

Yet it's a funny paradox watching the guy describe the situation and it's clear that he has a calm personality (and I bet his dog did as well). So, what the hell drew him to the situation there in the first place? To fight "The Man?" There are better ways, dude, and it doesn't involve confronting on-the-job law enforcement. In the big picture, race is not the issue, but about people who let their emotions dictate their behavior; they get all worked up, poor decisions get made, and then shit gets real very fast.

I think the cops overreacted, but without know everything that the guy yelled at them I can only guess at their justification for handcuffing. I believe he was simply interfering with an important job and they just wanted him out of the way. It's unfortunate that an officer uninformed of the situation got involved and drew his gun on the dog. In my opinion the dog would not have done anything if the third cop hadn't himself confronted it and after viewing the video a few times I'll stand by that. The behavior of the dog was not aggressive enough to warrant gunfire, it's fucking terrible it came to that. It's just a fucked up situation from every angle but the instigator is without a doubt the baggy shorts guy.