Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[delatlanta1281]

THIS

It's just like irresponsible pit bull owners

Aw fuck it, I'm in this now. It's funny red fox, as someone who claims to have worked with animals, this strikes a chord within me.
Exactly who are you to generalize "pit bulls"? Pit bull owners????? What are you saying? I'm a pitt bull owner.
How about rephrasing your statement to irresponsible dog owners instead of spreading more misinformation about the breed?
Thanks.

[Redfox]

Aw fuck it, I'm in this now. It's funny red fox, as someone who claims to have worked with animals, this strikes a chord within me.
Exactly who are you to generalize "pit bulls"? Pit bull owners????? What are you saying? I'm a pitt bull owner.
How about rephrasing your statement to irresponsible dog owners instead of spreading more misinformation about the breed?
Thanks.

Pit bulls, like any dog, are conditioned. The number of pitbull attacks that we had in our clinic (having to terminate the dog) over any other breed was large. A pitbull ripped a small boys face off, and officers brought the dog to us. When you train the dog to fight or put it conditions that make it aggressive, that is on the owner. Many of the owners who brought pits in had very well behaved pits. But for attacks and ones we were forced to euthanize, pits were probably 8 out of every 10 on that list. I helped train, rehabilitate, and adopt out more pits than I can count. Some were advised not to be around other dogs, as they were dog aggressive. Some were food aggressive. Some were child aggressive. The ones that we could save we did.



Ones that are locked in cages in the back yard with no shade, social interaction, and get loose and attack people are a different story. We had more pits than any other breed that had aggression problems, which of course is more than likely the owners' fault. Some are just more aggressive than others. If you can handle and control your dog its a different story. Some were brought back and just "snapped" and attacked the new owners it was rehomed to. Some never had a problem with their dog, ever, with aggression, until one day it snapped. Like the one that ripped the small boys face off. He was rushed to the ER and they had to retrieve his nose from the dogs mouth. You can't save every dog.

Trained pit bulls are a different story.


By the way, the dog that ripped the childs face off was calm, collected, and laying on the floor waiting for the owners to come and sit with it while it was put down. You wouldn't think the dog was capable of it, had there not been blood all around the dogs face and chest.

The problem with pits is that they are bred and dumped over and over. It's so hard to trace history, with health, with aggression, with psychological problems. There are too many back yard breeders. If you are ever to get a dog, rescuing is great and I fully encourage it. Just be aware of potential issues that may come with it. The best bet is going to an actual breeder, paying the money for the paperwork, seeing the parents, family, and bloodlines. You can trace back any and all problems with the dog. You are better off making a safe, informed, (more expensive) decision with buying from a reputable breeder. NOT a pet store, NOT craigslist, NOT the guy around the corner with free puppies. If you decide to rescue one, get it classes, train it, and expose it to different people, sights, smells, sounds, and touches. That is ultimately your best bet, with positive reenforcement.


A few pits that were adopted out were the sweetest most gentle dogs I have ever met. We adopted out a Pit/Chihuaha duo named Dude (the Pitt) and (Keggar) the chi. Dude was the kindest, sweetest, most gentle and loving dog we had there. I cried when he left, I wish I could have taken him home. Not all pits are bad. When you have irresponsible owners for any breed, shit happens. Breeds such as pits and rotties are already on the "dangerous dog" lists, and are banned from many areas. That's why special training for these dogs, if you decide to have them, will only help with a long and healthy life for the pet. Nothing is more traumatic for a dog than being dumped off because its becoming aggressive and the owner doesn't know how to deal with it, or the dog got big and they got bored, and it became destructive, etc.

[z6ne]

I like pits.
this thread sucks

[der affe]

ok i can finally reply.

firstly fear and red fox are correct. this is the fault of the owner PERIOD!
When you own a dog that is concidered a "dangerous" breed, YOU have a higher resonability to be aware of the perception your dog has already been branded with.

too many males equate the size of their COCKs with the agressivness of the dog. sorry but that is true!

i spent the first 6 month of my ownership of my rotti training and socializing him. i am constantly "AXED" if i want to breed him. the thought of an irrsponsible owner having a rotti makes me shutter.

bad owners have caused pitbulls to be branded as dangerous breeds, the same thing almost happened to rotti's in the 80's when they were popular.

[delatlanta1281]

It has nothing to do with pits. You can train a cocker spaniel to be just as aggressive. The same can be said about rotties I own bot (rescues). And foster as well. It's insane for people to blame breed. Owner is to blame in this instance, I agree. But split second decisions must be made in every circumstance, and a decision was made. I doubt the officers were stoked at the end of the day.

[der affe]

if he was just "walking the dog" why did he drive the dogn to an active crime scene? i walk my rotti 3 miles EVERY morning. i hook him up to a leash and walk out the door. i do not DRIVE him to a crime scene and parade him around in a tense situation. if he felt the need to flex his rights by filming the cops (yea it is his right to do so), he should have left the dog at home or in the car and paraded around with his camera.

animals can sense a tense situation and it will put them on edge, why bring a large dog known for protection into this situation????

a propperly trained rotti will always look to it's owner/alpha/pack leader for how to react to a situation. if it is not trained to do so, do not bring it into a situation where it will react instinctively and protect it's owner. again common sense and personal responability come into play.

it was very painful to watch the dog get shot, but the situation could have been avoided by not injecting the dog into this situation.
a rotti will die to protect it's pack, that is a fact and that fact causes lots of irrsponsible owners to purchase them to make them feel like bad asses.

having a dog like this is a GREAT responsability and not on to be taken lightly, macing or tazing the dog most likely would have slowed the dog down at best.

this asshole is a black eye to any responsible rotti owner. my heart goes out to the fact that the dog died, but ultimately, he put the dog in that situation that caused it's demise.

[delatlanta1281]

I would agree with all of that Greg.

[Redfox]

It has nothing to do with pits. You can train a cocker spaniel to be just as aggressive. The same can be said about rotties I own bot (rescues). And foster as well. It's insane for people to blame breed. Owner is to blame in this instance, I agree. But split second decisions must be made in every circumstance, and a decision was made. I doubt the officers were stoked at the end of the day.

You are absolutely correct, any dog can be trained to be aggressive. I don't argue that. Unfortunately, we see more of the sudden aggression with the "dangerous dogs" list. It lies in the owners hands to train, be more aware of their dog, keep them leashed if they are questionable or sketchy of new people, or properly train them and socialize them. It's like having a child. If you can't fulfill the responsibilities of being a good parent; providing health care, nutritional needs, discipline, and affection and love, you should not be a parent. Dog parent, human parent, responsible for another human/living being in general.

[delatlanta1281]

I train my dogs to attack Big Macs and chicken mcnuggets. Who's irresponsible now suckas?
Greg, when did you move to fla? I thought you were AZ to death?

[z6ne]

click it

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/ars/home

[der affe]

i was using pits as an example of a dog that is in it's purest form a good dog. take people who then continue to breed pits that are agressive for their agressive traits (not all pits are bad!) and the fact that they are a more accessable dog to purchase through bad back yard breeders and the bad traits are continued through the blood line. now you get them in the hands of irrsponsible owners who do not properly train them and allow them to be agressive to be a bad ass with a bad ass dog and bad things happen. they attact people/children/pets because they are acting on their instincts, unfortunately bad traits that have been repeatedly bread into them.

now you as a responsible pit owner have to make up for the fact that these other assholes have tarnished the image of the breed and the blood line.

i look at owning my rotti in the same light. it is my RESPONSABLIY to portray MY rotti in the best light possible.

at 135 lbs, he is intimidating, i constantly have people react negatively to him. i then make him sit and stay with hand commands and in german and ask them if would like to pet him while their dogs turn inside out and he sits calmly. he is shutzhund 3 trained in obedience and i have gone to great lenghts to socialize him.

[z31maniac]

Look at the cop still in posture, pointing the gun at the poor dog dying, as it might just get up, turn into godzilla and come after him....smh what a shame of a cop!

Did you watch the video? That pic is literally maybe 1.5 seconds after the first shot is fired.

The 4 shots happened......then what, half a second to holster the gun and assume a non-defensive position? You probably can't even shift your ratty G260 that quickly, much less assess the threat is eliminated, holster the gun, resume a normal stance?

It's fucking amazing the jumps in logic you internet detectives make.

[delatlanta1281]

I just raise my dogs around people and children. No one has lost a face yet ;)
Now slices of cake... That's another story.
Pits are utilized mainly because of their strong pack mentality. They will do anything to seek the approval of the dominant leader in their pack. This in the wrong hands is horrible. In the right hands however, you find one of the best service and therapy breeds out there. I live in a city that has had to adapt to an overpopulation of Pitt bulls because of things you mentioned above. Unlike most major cities, this one accepts pits and other "bite" breeds as the morons making the laws elsewhere mis-name them. I could show you pics of my pits, of my rot-Shepard, of my 125 pound American bull and say they are cute and how cuddly they are/ were. But I'm not going to. I'm going to put them in the bed, let them play with my family and friends and other dogs, and nothing will happen. Even though I have no clue where they were before I rescued them from the pound. Know why? I'm responsible, and 99 percent of rescues are good dogs that just need a second chance. That's why I get steamed when people say pits are dangerous. Most dog bite reports are classified as pit bulls. Very few actually are.

http://mabbr.org/pit-bull-ownership/the-truth-about-pit-bulls/

http://www.knoxcountyhumanesociety.org/PIT_BULL_MYTHS.php

The same can be said about most breeds on the "bite" list.
The other thing I'm going to do is steer clear of crime scenes. Mainly because I don't want to be involved. I sure as hell won't walk up to one and film it with my dog present. Especially if I am driving by. Regardless of my rights, it's not my place, nor does it help anyone.

[der affe]

I train my dogs to attack Big Macs and chicken mcnuggets. Who's irresponsible now suckas?
Greg, when did you move to fla? I thought you were AZ to death?

I am moving to the land of humidity to be with my future wife......;)

[Redfox]

http://kygl.com/police-officer-gets-huge-surprise-after-rescuing-dog-trapped-in-fence-wire-video/?trackback=fbshare_top

Kinda heartwarming. Proves not all officers are animal hating assholes..