Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[E30 Wagen]

The way that black dude was scoping out the scene with this baggy shorts, harassing the cops with his videorecording, making the race of the cops an issue, going on about a "civil rights violation" and generally acting proud as fuck initially pissed me off. The idiot fucking had it coming. He must have been yelling some foul crap at those cops to make them come over. The police have a job to do - let them do it, and you can have your say when they're out of the way.

However, shooting the dog was way out of control. It ran over but then backed off and was very hesitant and confused by the situation. I saw no viscious barking or snarling or any kind of aggressiveness. It didn't "lunge" at the cop. The cop was approaching it with an outstretched arm and the dog made an instinctive jump which was not in any way aggressive - its mouth was closed! It was terrible judgement by the police officer and I get the impression that more than anything it was to teach the guy a lesson. Fucking pathetic police work and I would fire that guy.

That being said, if my dog is ever shot in a situation like that, the shooter would probably end up needing a facial reconstruction surgery. Disregard the life of my dog and I'll disregard your nasal bone structure.

[750]

As shitty as this is, I feel it is the owners fault.

I'm sure that dog's owner knew his dog was protective. So why would he even bring the dog into that situation? Then he failed by not securing the animal, which I'm sure he also knew that the dog would be willing to jump out. Hell I had a rot jump out of a truck window from 6 feet to go greet another animal. I'm sure he would have jumped from higher if he felt I was in danger.

In the end, IMO, this is the owners fault. We don't know why the police approached him, but from the looks things this was a relatively serious crime scene. They could have already been on edge and just wanted to ask the guy some questions. Until the entire story comes out I think it is a little unfair to blame the police.

That officer demonstrated a hesitation to shoot the animal. He only shot after repeated lunges and obvious acts of aggression. I don't think I would have let that dog get ahold of me either.

Sad day indeed, I feel for the owner, but I'll wait before I grab my pitchfork and torch.

+1
Lesson- do not be stupid around police.

[GaryE30]

Im going to go throw up my lunch now watching that, im very sick to my stomach at this point. That is soooooo sad.

I showed my wife and she ran off after the first shot. Our 2 labs were sitting on the couch with us when I showed her the video. Its pretty sad.

[QUKBMER]

Im going to go throw up my lunch now watching that, im very sick to my stomach at this point. That is soooooo sad.

[mrsleeve]

Well Filming of the police doing their job from a distance on public ROW or Property is 100% legal. Most cops dont like being filmed doing their job, and will try and strong arm you into stopping and even demand to witness your delete the files if you "dont want be jailed" on some BS charge. SO if you knuckle under to them and comply when you were doing nothing illegal in the 1st place, You tell me where we are living when the agents of the state can act like this and get away with it time and time again.

This dude was held over night on "SUSPICION of obstruction of justice and was released at 5 a.m. the next morning. From what I have found NO CHARGES WERE ACTUALLY FILED. So he gets a night in Jail and a dead dog for filming the police and playing some music over a block away. What about all the other cars that drive around with stereos that you can hear from a 1/2 mile off. Why were the police not chasing down those cars for obstruction and interfering with a police operation???

Because this guy was filming a the barricade line the police set up of a SWAT team dealing with a robbery. Questionable behavior from a guy with a bit of a history with the local L/E and asking for trouble? YES................... Illegal MOST DEFIANTLY NOT...... deserve to be tossed in jail for the night on some trumped up charge, and have to deal with watching them kill your dog FUCK NO....


Yes cops have to deal with the dregs of society, and that can get to you. But in being a cop there is no way in this day and age you DIDN"T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING YOUR SELF INTO. Police have a higher standard to be held to, especially those that deal with the public, I am not guilty of a crime just for walking around at 2am, I am not guilty of a crime just for driving though, I am not guilty of a crime for taking pictures of buildings or cops doing their job. I, you an everyone else is INNOCENT until proven guilty........ Something that has been lost in the translation in the last 30 years of just doing their job. The L/E agents of all aspects are becoming the protected class, and their methodology is getting more and more ruthless as so are their fuck ups

While I can agree with F4 there that its ultimately the idiots fault for his dog getting shot by putting himself and his animal in a position where this could happen, it most certainly should never have happened and the police should not have been messing with a citizen doing nothing wrong like they were.

[Exodus_2pt0]

I do agree Sleeve, but the us vs. them mentality is a self fulfilling prophecy.

This thread is a perfect example, many here are chomping at the bit to see these cops hang, without even getting the whole story.

I think the mentality here would probably put me a little more on edge if I were a Police officer.

Unless the cops are blatantly over stepping their bounds, just leave them be. They really do deal with a ton of shit each day, so I feel like the best thing to do would be to act in a respectful manner and let them do their job. Police are nothing but human, and we can all act out of character when stress levels escalate. Every time someone harrasses an officer that is just doing his job, that makes it worse for the next person he interacts with.

[mrsleeve]

This is a product of the us Vs them mentality that has over run our law enforcement.

Remember that protect as serve is long gone, its now hunt and extort. This shit happens every single day, no knock warrants served on the wrong houses, home owners shot in front of their families, dogs shot with out 2ed thought, houses burned to the ground, trucks of the wrong make, make, model, color, and even size class shot all to hell with people of the wrong Age, Sex, Demographic in it. I can list shit like this for days.....

All this shit, but if you have an intruder in your home trying to hurt you or your family, they have no duty to come to your aid if they feel their life will be put into jeopardy.

[GaryE30]

Situations like this scare me about my dog. I have a black lab and he's about 70 lbs and he loves to jump up on people. When he meets new people at my house he goes nuts barking (playful) and about 2000% normal energy level. The entire time his tail is wagging too so you know he's the happiest pup in the world

however,

I can't tell you how many times people have nearly shit their pants when he comes running to the door barking. Understandably they're scared because they don't know the dog at all, but he wouldn't hurt a fly. He may jump on you and tackle you, leaving you covered in a shit ton of fresh saliva, but he'd never bite or attack.

It scares me because if he ever got lose and saw someone new and wanted to play, they may mistake it for an aggressive attack and shoot him or something.

Before you say I need to work him through some basic obedience, yes, you're right, I know I do and I will very soon :)

[E30_Pare]

Well the lady that blasted that dog had some John Wayne reflexes.

[IRON-E]

Hawthorne has it's good and bad parts but it's bad parts are extremely hood where the zoning allows multiple apartment complexes all on one city block. Anyway, there were a bunch of people filming, but this guy seemed to be antagonizing the police with his loud music bumping from his parked car and him walking around with a large dog. It was like he wanted them to see him and when they approached, he knew the routine and was compliant but unfortunately, he left his windows down and his dog jumped out to protect him. I don't think Hawthorne PD had to shoot the dog (I thought they could have backed off inside the car or tazzed him) but I do think the owner was irresponsible for not securing the dog in the car with the windows up. Cops out here have big chips on their shoulders. They would not hesitate to shoot an aggressive suspect and could care less about a dog. And that's exactly why you don't put your dog in this situation.

Well stated Barry

[z6ne]

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that there is stupid Police out there? Try reading all of that before calling me "ignorant".

How do you know the ones in this video are biting at the bit to shoot something? That is ignorant to think that way. You have no idea what they do, and background that led to them being in law enforcement. My Grandfather(RIP) was one of the first NYS K9 unit officer in NYS. He had to deal with this crap all the time. His dog would MANGLE the shit out of anyone with just a simple command from his mouth alone.

A dog is a weapon in the right hands. Or a mess waiting to happen from a dumb owner.

I have been pulled over a few times from dumb shit(going speed limit, tint, being low). And never insulted or jerk to the Police. Moron or not, respect is something you should show. And by grouping everyone up because of a few videos on the internet is "ignorant".

I actually did miss that sentence. My blunder.

[reelizmpro]

Hawthorne has it's good and bad parts but it's bad parts are extremely hood where the zoning allows multiple apartment complexes all on one city block. Anyway, there were a bunch of people filming, but this guy seemed to be antagonizing the police with his loud music bumping from his parked car and him walking around with a large dog. It was like he wanted them to see him and when they approached, he knew the routine and was compliant but unfortunately, he left his windows down and his dog jumped out to protect him. I don't think Hawthorne PD had to shoot the dog (I thought they could have backed off inside the car or tazzed him) but I do think the owner was irresponsible for not securing the dog in the car with the windows up. Cops out here have big chips on their shoulders. They would not hesitate to shoot an aggressive suspect and could care less about a dog (unless it's a police dog of course). And that's exactly why you don't put your dog in this situation.

[frankenbeemer]

So why would he even bring the dog into that situation? Then he failed by not securing the animal

I agree he should not have brought the dog into that situation. I do think the police should have made sure the dog was secured before arresting the suspect. Maybe he was showboating for the neighborhood, but I don't believe he was interfering with the police. It's still a nation wide problem that often police will bully anyone who questions their authority. This seems to be the case here, as it appears the officers handled a completely submissive suspect roughly (watch them cuff him), I wonder if the tone of their voice towards the suspect riled the dog. Of course it's possible the owner said something that caused the dogs reaction, I don't know.

Ok, just to make something clear... Being hand cuffed does not equal an arrest.

That depends, it may or may not according to the court:
The Use of Handcuffs

The use of handcuffs. (New York v. Quarles, supra; United States v. Purry (D.C. Cir. 1976) 545 F.2nd 217, 220.)
While putting a juvenile in a security office at the border, and frisking her, were not enough to constitute an arrest, handcuffing her shortly thereafter when contraband was found in her car was an arrest. (United States v. Juvenile (RRA-A) (9th Cir. 2000) 229 F.3rd 737, 743.)

That was so dumb, the guy should have gotten in his car and left. The owner of the dog should have known that and thought to roll his windows up.
I understand that the dog attacked, that is the job of a rottie. They PROTECT their owners and family till death. I ALSO would have shot if a dog attacked me, I FULLY blame the owner.

Look at him, he walks up and turns around knowing he was going to get cuffed. STUPID FUCKING OWNER. It is not the policeman's fault the dog attacked, the owner did NOT restrain his dog. The owner could get filed for charges for the dog attacking them.

Anyone that is asking for the Policemans badges and shit is FUCKING MORONS. Do you put your life on the line everyday for others? I know there is some stupid Policeman out there. But you do not know why they were there and that guy should not have been filming like that. He asked for it, and HE alone got his dog killed. He is a dumb retarded owner.

I disagree. I encourage everyone to film anything that looks suspicious or is related to criminal activity, especially the police! There have been too many instances of misuse of authority (including outright perjury, planting drugs, losing exculpatory evidence) to do otherwise. http://www.policemisconduct.net/

Seems he didn't have control over the dog without the leash.

Sadly true.

[IRON-E]

You guys need to commute around L.A., cops are scared of just about anything. Fire at anything, the first chance they get.

I'm going to side with "it's the dog owners fault" on the OPs video though, the cops do have a job to do, deal with it.

[Redfox]

Nicely said, F34r.