SD bans all abortions

[asubimmer]

Your relating a car to a womans body. You must get all the ladies.

I said its a strech but still if you think about it, its the same thing...you guys are car guys soo I put in terms you would relate to.

[royalflush313]

the term abortion is just someting to make you not fell bad for murdering someone. It like when people say "their meat" instead of penis b/c they are scared or ashamed to say penis.

I know this is a little bit of a strech but no more extreme then abortion. Some people say its a woman's right to have an abortion. BUT thats like saying that if you are giving someone a ride somewhere in your car and they become an inconvenience you can just pull over...shoot them in the head...push them out and drive on. Its your car...its your belly.

ABORTION IS SELFISH!!!

sorry but those are just horrible analogies.

I have some questions to those who are anti-abortion:

It seems here that most people here (including the new law) would agree that if the women's life is on the line, then abortion may justifiably, and morally take place - that is, if the life of the mother is saved then it is allowed.
Is it not the case here that, generally, we give more human worth to those who are already living outside of the womb? Those who indefenetely can feel emotions, pain, as well as rationalize some thought?

Now why is that? Why is it that the mother's life is more important than the unborn baby's life?
If you think otherwise, let me know why as well, because something like that would boggle my mind.

Birth rate is the highest in poor regions of a country, and in poorer countries - this is no suprise.

Should child birth be justified if one knows that the child will be born with aids? Child, along with the other children will die as a result of malnutrition? Will the child suffer more when "murdered" inside the mother, or when the child dies as a result of some previously (before birth) known reasons (be it aids, mal-nutrition, or whatever).

What about teenage pregnancies? Imagine two teenagers, father runs. Mother-to-be has no support from friends or families, has no income. What if the mother-to-be is homeless? Are we murdering the baby by not providing a sense of positive freedom?

No-one needs to be reminded that governemental aid when it comes to child-care is not sufficient, and will not better itself if birth rate of children that can't be afforded increases.

Having a child is a huge responsibility, not to mention, a huge economic expense.


I do agree with many of you though that, abortion shouldn't be exploited, as with the case now. Like someone already said, abortion should not be a method of contraceptive.
There should be strict guidelines for the allowance of an abortion. (e.g. use of BC, socio-economic status, diseases etc).

[asubimmer]

Supporting Bush's tax cuts was too. And in many ways morally wrong. Does that make it illegal? I think not.

If a girl gets raped or is subjected to incest, or is subjected to serious harm, I think in those cases, at a minimum, she gets to be selfish.

Notwithstanding the fallacies that support a lot of the arguments of the "pro-life" people, they cannot morally justify what SD just passed. Girl gets raped and knocked up - too bad - you have no choice.

THose same fucktards will lament the "drain" that the poor are on the tax base.

its not the woman's fault that she got knocked up but is it the babies? NO! why kill the baby? because you don't want to go through the pain and constant reminder of rape? that is selfish. Parents should sacifice for their children not leave/kill them when the times get tough.

[AppState325]

while you raise a lot of interesting questions, one must think about this. How many of the 7 million + abortions are the result of the "extreme scenarios" that people always bring up?

abortion has become a birth control for those not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. if you have sex, the potential to have sex is there, it's a risk you take.

[Dave]

Last word from me - abortion needs to be safe, legal and rare.

Society has a lot of ills that need to be addressed first.

And the fine "abstinence only" education that the government is pushing now only adds to the problem. They tell kids NOT to use birth control and unintentionally encourage kids to do riskier things like unprotected oral and anal sex.

My son just went through that garbage - a quasi religious group came in and talked to them about "making a purity vow". If that isn't crossing the church/state lin, I dunno waht is.

My son is 13. I had the talk with him. As much as I want him to just keep his damn pants on, I know what it was like to be a teenager.

That is all I want to say here.

ASU, crawl back under your "holy" rock.

Peace.

[Dave]

its not the woman's fault that she got knocked up but is it the babies? NO! why kill the baby? because you don't want to go through the pain and constant reminder of rape? that is selfish. Parents should sacifice for their children not leave/kill them when the times get tough.

Easy for you to say - as a man, and as someone who does not know a woman who went through this.

You have no Divined right from God or anyone else to make the call for someone in that position.

[royalflush313]

Last word from me - abortion needs to be safe, legal and rare.

Society has a lot of ills that need to be addressed first.

And the fine "abstinence only" education that the government is pushing now only adds to the problem. They tell kids NOT to use birth control and unintentionally encourage kids to do riskier things like unprotected oral and anal sex.

My son just went through that garbage - a quasi religious group came in and talked to them about "making a purity vow". If that isn't crossing the church/state lin, I dunno waht is.

My son is 13. I had the talk with him. As much as I want him to just keep his damn pants on, I know what it was like to be a teenager.

That is all I want to say here.

ASU, crawl back under your "holy" rock.

Peace.

I couldn't agree with you more there.
I think you are right on with sex ed too.

It's like the drugs educations. Schools tell you how horrible weed is, never touch it, and then the inevitable time comes in your life when you experience with drugs, only to find out that the schools were full of shit.

I think it's time education got a little bit more realistic. Kids are gonna have sex, and kids are gonna do drugs. It's better to teach them do it safely than to tell them not to do it at all.

[asubimmer]

Dave I hope you aren't a father and never have kids. I would fell really sorry for them to have such selfish parents. Is it bad to put others before yourself?

[boom-monkey]

Dave I hope you aren't a father and never have kids. I would fell really sorry for them to have such selfish parents. Is it bad to put others before yourself?

No, but it's bad to be completely unrealistic and live in a false utopia.

[AppState325]

this debate is getting out of hand. I am still waiting for the abortion-advocates to explain to me their reasoning behind considering an infant in the womb as "not human"

[asubimmer]

well if its not all or nothing then you are going to have grey areas where some people that "should" have an abortion can't get one and people that shouldn't have an abortion do. its all or nothing

[AppState325]

this is the definition of "human" from dictionary.com

hu·man Audio pronunciation of "human" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hymn)
n.

1. A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens.

[Dave]

Dave I hope you aren't a father and never have kids. I would fell really sorry for them to have such selfish parents. Is it bad to put others before yourself?

I have three kids - two of whom are fabulous daughters.

Who said anything about me being selfish?

You are an idiot. I can't change that.

[boom-monkey]

It's not an infant in the womb, it's a fetus. It cannot live without the mother body.

It cannot make decisions on it's own, so it's up to it's mother to make these decisions for it. It is to be assumed that the mother will do that best for the fetus, and in some cases the best thing to do is destroy it.

This is all I'm gonna say about this topic because you bible beaters will always want the last word.

Try having a discussion about this with a woman, see how far all this "stop be selfish" attidtude gets you.

[asubimmer]

well thats too bad...3 kids. Give them my condolances