Originally posted by h0lmes
z06 vid
Collapse
X
-
So are AMG motors but I don't consider a 190k SL65 AMG a Supercar. Whoopdee if the motor is hand made, is the care hand made with care? Is their close attention paid to each fine detail of the interior, make sure the fit and finish is correct, oh wait this is GM we're talking about.Originally posted by h0lmesYou do realize that the ls7 is hand made by 1 person right? I think you guys just like to disagree with me and thats the only real reason why you hate the car. There are no other good reasons.
The Z06 is all about cheap speed no different than the STI and Lancer Evo. Its a performance car built on a mass produced car. Not to say that the Z06 isn't fast because it is pretty damn fast. But the difference between a Z06 and Ferarri or Lamborghini is the prestigious nameplate and quality of the car.
But summary, based on mass produced car != supercar.Comment
-
Wrong. Let’s look at where the cars begin...Originally posted by TuaniesThe Z06 is all about cheap speed no different than the STI and Lancer Evo. It’s a performance car built on a mass produced car. Not to say that the Z06 isn't fast because it is pretty damn fast. But the difference between a Z06 and Ferrari or Lamborghini is the prestigious nameplate and quality of the car.
But summary, based on mass produced car != supercar.
The STI and Evo are built upon compact sedan bodies. This has more to do with WRC regulations, but regardless, they're cheapie bodies anyway. Mitsubishi and Subaru take these bodies and add additional welding and bracing for strength. In contrast the Z06 begins with the Corvette design of a purpose-built 2-seat, 2-door sport coupe, like a Viper, Ferrari 575 or SLR McLaren. Supercars, if you will. But GM takes the Z06 much further than the basic C6 design:
An all new frame. I hate to repeat it, but like C/D says, this is more than BMW does for its M cars. And you can have your elitist "prestigious nameplate." I'd rather have a giant-killer. ;)Originally posted by Car and Driver Feb 2005
The most elaborate of these is an all-new frame with aluminum replacing the steel components in the base C6 and a magnesium front cradle replacing the aluminum one. Making the normally removable roof panel a permanent part of the car's construction greatly improves structural efficiency. Together, these measures reduce the frame's weight from 419 to 287 pounds.
In addition, the Z06's front fenders are now molded with carbon fiber rather than fiberglass, cutting their weight from 9.2 to 2.8 pounds apiece. The balsa-core composite floorboard also uses carbon fiber, saving five more pounds.
Thanks to these changes, the Z06 will weigh a mere 3130 pounds, according to the engineers. That's 12 pounds more than the claimed weight of the previous Z06 but about 40 pounds less than a base C6, and lighter than exotic, carbon-fiber megamobiles such as the Ferrari Enzo and Mercedes SLR McLaren.Last edited by Victell; 05-13-2006, 09:16 AM.Comment
-
Regardless of the fact that it has an "old" engine and "old" suspension, it destroys supercars on the track, is cheaper, more practical, and uses less gas than any similar powered supercar. I could care less that it has a leafspring somewhere or is using a chevy small block.
Though it is blessed with supercar performance, it's not a supercar. Not really a bad thing. A supercar designation must be eared by, in my opinion, the performance, the cost and the rarity.
'88 325is
VP UT of Austin Autoholics
BMWCCA 380364Comment
-
Exactly.Originally posted by chuckybobwe dont hate the z06 tom, we just hate your blind head-over-heals love for it. is it a solid performer? yes. a supercar? id say so. the greatest thing ever to grace pavement? no.
To Tom, its the car, that he would easily go out and buy with that amount of money.
When I look at the Corvette, nothing stands out, sure it has heritage, sure its faster then shit, sure it handles like its on rails, but if I don't like the car I'm not going to buy it.
And the funny thing is, IF I did have the money, I'd still spend almost double and get a 911 GT3/Turbo.
I'll except being a tad slower all around, to have a car that I enjoy. And unlike tom, I don't claim the 911 is beter then everything, because its not, its just the car I happen to drool over the most.
Comment
-
-
Not a supercar but the best thing coming from the states. Id call the GT more of a supercar because of the exclusivity of it. But that is just me.
Oh and the new Top Gear just dropped and it includes the Z06 with a glowing review. They chose to overlook the interior and build quality and focus on the performance.Im now E30less.
sigpicComment
-
I love how threads involving the new Z06 always end up in flame wars.
Everyone has a different opinion on what a "Supercar" really is, performance wise the Z06 eailsy meets "Supercar" credentials. The fact that it's not built in Italy is a big reason why a lot of people don't consider it a "supercar" because the interior is made from the finest bulls and that other shit.
If I have $70K and want luxury I'll buy a 'Benz, if I want ass out, balls the wall the speed I'll take the Z06 any day of the week. I'm sure in my older years I'll appreciate an extremely high-quality interior, but if I'm in a car that can go as fast as it can all I care about is a seat that keeps my ass planted in it.
91 318is | 98 Z3 M Roadster | 97 FZJ80Comment
-
-
BUT TEHY SAID TEH JAGUAR IST TEH BETTERS THAN BMW!!!!11!!Originally posted by Ryan StewartNot a supercar but the best thing coming from the states. Id call the GT more of a supercar because of the exclusivity of it. But that is just me.
Oh and the new Top Gear just dropped and it includes the Z06 with a glowing review. They chose to overlook the interior and build quality and focus on the performance.
I got the jist that it's not really liveable with, but if you're going to get a track car... might as well. My favorite bit about American sports cars is that they get 500 hp out of 7 liters. That's what I call a champion effort.The BMW 318 is back. With a vengeance.Comment
-
You = Interweb God :)Originally posted by Ryan Stewart
edit:
After watching that video I'd officially sell my soul for a Corvette Z06. He starts off in 5th gear from a dead stop then gets up to like 160mph and then runs out of track.
Got torque? Jesus.Last edited by !RocknE30!; 05-15-2006, 03:41 PM.
91 318is | 98 Z3 M Roadster | 97 FZJ80Comment
-
Actually he liked the 6 better as a car but couldn't stand to look at it.Originally posted by hamann318isBUT TEHY SAID TEH JAGUAR IST TEH BETTERS THAN BMW!!!!11!!
I got the jist that it's not really liveable with, but if you're going to get a track car... might as well. My favorite bit about American sports cars is that they get 500 hp out of 7 liters. That's what I call a champion effort.Im now E30less.
sigpicComment




Comment