The other side of global warming

[JPL]

^ I think you're the first person who has watched them that has replied to this thread.

[MarshallM]

I watched it. I love how they use really specific terms like "lately", and "many" though out the whole movie. Lately the temperature has actually dropped. Thats cause its fall and turning into winter asshole. Oh and how they go off on how great the industrial age is and how its not our enemy. Sounds a lot like a big corporation talking though the guise of a grassroots campaign.
Global warming or not even a dog knows not to shit in his own pen. We humans have been shitting in our own pen long enough and if it takes a Global Warming lie to change things thats fine with me. Basically the same generation that brought us hippies is selling the environment for their retirement and leaving the mess for us kids to clean up. The earth isn't going to end in a giant tidal wave but our standard of living is surely going to go down if we keep on neglecting our habitat.

[KenC]

http://www.ipcc.ch/

they may be european, but they aint wackos

QFT.

They're also the same "wackos" that up until VERY recently have been reluctant to report that the recent global climate change has been precipitated by human activity. World renowed climatologists don't just change their minds (collectively, mind you) due to "Hollywood liberals."

[joshh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk

This talks about all those "scientists" the Ipcc claims has the same ideas.

Watch the whole series.

[PiercedE30]

any kind of politically sanctioned body will have some form of political agenda, and not to mention trying to preserve their jobs.

[matte30is]

So it's something of a relief to turn to history. Despite the insistence of Al Gore and friends, this is far from the first time the Earth has ever passed through a climatic warming period. In fact, one occurred relatively recently, the medieval warm period, more commonly known as the Little Climatic Optimum (LCO), a period stretching roughly from the 10th to the 13th centuries, in which the average temperature was anything from 1 to 3 degrees centigrade higher than it is today. Several years ago, I covered the LCO in an article detailing the climatic history of the last millennium. But it's worthwhile to cover the highlights once more, to help put the contemporary panic into perspective.

* How warm was it during the LCO? Areas in the Midlands and Scotland that cannot grow crops today were regularly farmed. England was known for its wine exports.


* The average height of Britons around A.D. 1000 was close to six feet, thanks to good nutrition. The small stature of the British lower classes (and the Irish) later in the millennium is an artifact of lower temperatures. People of the 20th century were the first Europeans in centuries to grow to their "true" stature - and most had to grow up in the USA to do it.


* In fact, famine - and its partner, plague -- appears to have taken a hike for several centuries. We have records of only a handful of famines during the LCO, and few mass outbreaks of disease. The bubonic plague itself appears to have retreated to its heartland of Central Asia.


* The LCO was the first age of transatlantic exploration. When not slaughtering their neighbors, the Vikings were charting new lands across the North Atlantic, one of the stormiest seas on earth (only the Southern Ocean - the Roaring 40s - is worse). If you tried the same thing today, traveling their routes in open boats of the size they used, you would drown. They discovered Iceland, and Greenland, and a new world even beyond, where they found grape vines, the same as in England.


* The Agricultural Revolution is not widely known except among historians. Mild temperatures eased land clearing and lengthened growing seasons. More certain harvests encouraged experimentation among farmers involving field rotation, novel implements, and new crops such as legumes. While the thought of peas and beans may not thrill the foodies among us, they expanded an almost unbelievably bland ancient diet as well as providing new sources of nutrition. The result was a near-tripling of European population from 27 million at the end of the 7th century to 70 million in 1300.


* The First Industrial Revolution is not widely known even among historians. Opening the northern German plains allowed access to easily mined iron deposits in the Ruhr and the Saarland. As a result smithies and mills became common sights throughout Europe. Then came the basic inventions without which nothing more complex can be made - the compound crank, the connecting rod, the flywheel, followed by the turbine, the compass, the mechanical clock, and eyeglasses. Our entire technical civilization, all the way down to Al Gore's hydrogenmobile, has its roots in the LCO.
But in the late 13th century, it all came to an end.

[iCleaks]

1. Every leading scientist once thought the earth was flat.
2. They are often wrong about next weeks weather so why would anyone have faith in their long term (50-150 years) predictions.
3. "The debate is over" - is treasonous thinking in a democracy and blasphomy to scientists.
4. "In our lifetimes" - probably not is the opinion of most scientists. Those who misrepresent data in order to push their adgenda or scare people into action (sound familier) should never be trusted.

The increasing use and overuse of the earth's forests, fisheries, etc. is the primary threat. Switching to hybrid bulldozers isn't going make a difference.

Eventually, they will want to take your e30 and make you take public transportation.

[joshh]

Well I must say, I'm suprised. I didn't realise we had people on this board that can see through the thick muck of political bullshit about GW.........climate change!!!!!

[Mike_Duncan]

This thread is just what I needed to get my brain on edge again :)

I'll be in here soon enough!

[Nick]

2. They are often wrong about next weeks weather so why would anyone have faith in their long term (50-150 years) predictions.

It's actually much easier to plot long term general trends than it is to plot specific weather patterns in a local region over the short term.

A meterologist lives two doors up the road from me. :D
He's on TV every day, it's mildly amusing.

As a true Republican AND a realist, I say I believe in global warming, and I believe humans play a part, BUT...I don't care, since nothing TOO bad will happen in my lifetime, and I'm confident that we'll find a way to fix it soon enough. Maybe we can build giant space mirrors? Or alter the orbit of the Earth?

Therefore I will continue to maintain my fleet of cars, one of which is a gas-guzzling V-12 that has buffalo hide leather interior. They also had to chop down a few trees to make it.

[AdironRider]

I fart in the general direction of global warming.

[Jscotty]

Lets say global warming actually existed.. because it does not.. but I will go along with the discussion as if it did-

Global warming is not my fault. Its the fault of the big corporations and the governments around the world that encourage and permit the use of the dangerous chemicals and toxic pollutants. As the general public we can choose not to buy their products but we don't have many options. We were assimilated into this way of life and this is what we are acustomed to.

We talk all of the time about Americans alone contributing to a great portion of the global warming problem but the average American cannot survive on the "green" lifestyle. Energy alternatives cost 3 times as much as the conventional forms of energy. Why should I spend $30,000 extra on a hybrid car when that same money will buy me TWO cars and plenty of gas?

Until this can make economic sense, nobody will be able to address the problem.

[gstuning]

Your economic reasoning is short to say the least.

High demand , low volumes = high prices
Fair demand , Extreme volumes = low low prices.

So until green living products become plentyfull things will stay the way they are. The goverments all over do not contribute to this by taking away taxing on the green producing companies. So even harder to get the green moving.

The financial world is like a cold war. Don´t upset things as that could
wipe out your financial structure. Alot of companies do not lower prices and do so in the joint understanding from other companies in the same market, if there where to arise a price war the "friendship" would be over and one of the companies would go under. While the other would be forced to maintain low prices. Gains would not be up as margins would be down per product.

The only way to go green is get rid of the $reen

[joshh]

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2045/

A reason not to go to work??

[LivingLegend06]

Im going to be honest and say I dont know nearly enough facts to decide the truth about global warming. All I know is that my chimistry professor thinks its the natural cycle of things and that there is no such thing as "global warming" as we know about it.

Personally I figure that a little warmer water wouldnt bother me (I like watersports), and if things get too bad ill move to canada. I'm going to let the experts decide what we should do, im really not in the position to make decisions about it.