The other side of global warming

[iCleaks]

1. Every leading scientist once thought the earth was flat.
2. They are often wrong about next weeks weather so why would anyone have faith in their long term (50-150 years) predictions.
3. "The debate is over" - is treasonous thinking in a democracy and blasphomy to scientists.
4. "In our lifetimes" - probably not is the opinion of most scientists. Those who misrepresent data in order to push their adgenda or scare people into action (sound familier) should never be trusted.

The increasing use and overuse of the earth's forests, fisheries, etc. is the primary threat. Switching to hybrid bulldozers isn't going make a difference.

Eventually, they will want to take your e30 and make you take public transportation.

[matte30is]

So it's something of a relief to turn to history. Despite the insistence of Al Gore and friends, this is far from the first time the Earth has ever passed through a climatic warming period. In fact, one occurred relatively recently, the medieval warm period, more commonly known as the Little Climatic Optimum (LCO), a period stretching roughly from the 10th to the 13th centuries, in which the average temperature was anything from 1 to 3 degrees centigrade higher than it is today. Several years ago, I covered the LCO in an article detailing the climatic history of the last millennium. But it's worthwhile to cover the highlights once more, to help put the contemporary panic into perspective.

* How warm was it during the LCO? Areas in the Midlands and Scotland that cannot grow crops today were regularly farmed. England was known for its wine exports.


* The average height of Britons around A.D. 1000 was close to six feet, thanks to good nutrition. The small stature of the British lower classes (and the Irish) later in the millennium is an artifact of lower temperatures. People of the 20th century were the first Europeans in centuries to grow to their "true" stature - and most had to grow up in the USA to do it.


* In fact, famine - and its partner, plague -- appears to have taken a hike for several centuries. We have records of only a handful of famines during the LCO, and few mass outbreaks of disease. The bubonic plague itself appears to have retreated to its heartland of Central Asia.


* The LCO was the first age of transatlantic exploration. When not slaughtering their neighbors, the Vikings were charting new lands across the North Atlantic, one of the stormiest seas on earth (only the Southern Ocean - the Roaring 40s - is worse). If you tried the same thing today, traveling their routes in open boats of the size they used, you would drown. They discovered Iceland, and Greenland, and a new world even beyond, where they found grape vines, the same as in England.


* The Agricultural Revolution is not widely known except among historians. Mild temperatures eased land clearing and lengthened growing seasons. More certain harvests encouraged experimentation among farmers involving field rotation, novel implements, and new crops such as legumes. While the thought of peas and beans may not thrill the foodies among us, they expanded an almost unbelievably bland ancient diet as well as providing new sources of nutrition. The result was a near-tripling of European population from 27 million at the end of the 7th century to 70 million in 1300.


* The First Industrial Revolution is not widely known even among historians. Opening the northern German plains allowed access to easily mined iron deposits in the Ruhr and the Saarland. As a result smithies and mills became common sights throughout Europe. Then came the basic inventions without which nothing more complex can be made - the compound crank, the connecting rod, the flywheel, followed by the turbine, the compass, the mechanical clock, and eyeglasses. Our entire technical civilization, all the way down to Al Gore's hydrogenmobile, has its roots in the LCO.
But in the late 13th century, it all came to an end.

[PiercedE30]

any kind of politically sanctioned body will have some form of political agenda, and not to mention trying to preserve their jobs.

[joshh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk

This talks about all those "scientists" the Ipcc claims has the same ideas.

Watch the whole series.

[KenC]

http://www.ipcc.ch/

they may be european, but they aint wackos

QFT.

They're also the same "wackos" that up until VERY recently have been reluctant to report that the recent global climate change has been precipitated by human activity. World renowed climatologists don't just change their minds (collectively, mind you) due to "Hollywood liberals."

[MarshallM]

I watched it. I love how they use really specific terms like "lately", and "many" though out the whole movie. Lately the temperature has actually dropped. Thats cause its fall and turning into winter asshole. Oh and how they go off on how great the industrial age is and how its not our enemy. Sounds a lot like a big corporation talking though the guise of a grassroots campaign.
Global warming or not even a dog knows not to shit in his own pen. We humans have been shitting in our own pen long enough and if it takes a Global Warming lie to change things thats fine with me. Basically the same generation that brought us hippies is selling the environment for their retirement and leaving the mess for us kids to clean up. The earth isn't going to end in a giant tidal wave but our standard of living is surely going to go down if we keep on neglecting our habitat.

[JPL]

^ I think you're the first person who has watched them that has replied to this thread.

[PiercedE30]

wow, I just got done watching the whole video............wow, it has many good points that are greatly supported with scientific evidence and I have to say, it makes a whole lot of sense, especially at the end when it goes on to talk about developping countries and why they aren't developped as much as they should be considering how developped other countries are.

[s0urce]

I just gave myself a standing ovation. And as a matter of fact most of my knowledge about global warming came from pamphlets that I got from the oil companies.. so I know its true that global warming does not exist.

I'm starting to like you.../clap

[Il Duce]

^^^^ ahahahaahaha.


it's the end of the world as we know it!!!! and i feel FINE.


between this and WW3 coming up.... 2012 looks to be spot on. mankind deserves to die. we're just a parasite on this planet.

[JasonC]

There are a bunch of out there that want us to beleave that global warming is going to doom us all. I think it's a bunch of crap myself. So i'll sit back and watch people argue back and forth in this thread.

[FJ40]

The arguing that you get when global warming is brought up is a lot like the whole religion debate. Unfortunately, the science can only tell us so much at this point, and a lot of the time people just totally deny the other side's arguement.

That is compounded by the fact that there are groups on both sides that don't give a shit whether it is "real" or not, they just want you to agree. If you saw the Oscars this year, the resounding support of Al Gore was absolutely laughable. It totally reminded me of the F.A.G. on Team America.

I am ALL FOR recycling and regulating big polluters/cars/etc. Unfortunately, as a four wheeler, crazies from groups like Sierra Club are going BOTH BARRELS trying to deny people like me from enjoying myself on trails on the weekend. The same is happening to mountain bikers and any other outdoor related participants. This is where I lose them. If it were up to them I would be dead. It would "save the environment" in their eyes. In the places I four wheel, pipe bombs have been found that were targeting wheelers. That seems incredibly counter-productive to me.

That said, I think our best bet at this point is to be reasonable, try to do our part to use resources somewhat sparingly, and see where it takes us. I don't believe the evidence suggesting otherwise are reasonable enough to even consider.

[e30sd]

http://www.ipcc.ch/

they may be european, but they aint wackos

[Nick]

^Getting frustrated because you can't understand big words or complicated concepts is cool too.

I'm slowly beginning to realize what a disaster this country's education system actually is.

[MattE30]

Regurgitating information you hear without actually knowing what you are talking about is cool. For both sides.