godtube.com trainwreck!

[JGood]

There's a difference in confidence and cockiness. It's hard to understand a person's tone over text. Just try to focus on what was stated. Also, it doesn't seem you addressed everything; only the fact that you feel I DON'T KNOW and you feel I came across as cocky....

Now humor me and respond to the situation I presented you.



and now you are simply creating your own fantasies for the sake of arguing.....

It appears you have trouble reading. Allow me to state again, my first post has answered your question of how I would feel if the question was turned around. I stated how I would feel before you even asked me. Go ahead and attempt to read it.

Fantasies? Wait, your telling me it's OK for you to believe in your religion, but if I attempt to create and believe some other religion, it's a fantasy and should not be entertained? I've actually held good arguments with Christians who have held valid points, and also agreed to my points. This however, is a joke.

cockiness vs. confidence is not the argument. You said you "know". That is a lie. You believe. Knowing is fact, believing is theory. Religion is theory. Simple. My point was people are constantly rubbing what they "know" in my face, including what is going to happen to me after death. If anyone "knew", we wouldn't be having this argument.

[JGood]

Also, it doesn't seem you addressed everything; only the fact that you feel I DON'T KNOW and you feel I came across as cocky....

What didn't I address? I most certainly will...

[Maluco]

What didn't I address? I most certainly will...

ok, you stated you wouldn't care, you wouldn't get pissed. Fair enough.

I want to add that I apologize if what and how I am writing is coming though in a derogatory manner. I don't mean it too and these conversations can easily become that or at the very least begin to come across that way. As far you creating your own religion, you are more than welcome too.

[Kruzen]

Kind of off topic, but there are some Christian rock bands that rock pretty fucking hard. I had no idea they were Christian rock until I asked my friend. It's weird when it's almost metal-ish, but they're talking about God, lol.

Heck yea buddy. Killswitch engage, zao, chevelle, emery, as I lay dying, all that remains.. :rock:

[JGood]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

[Kruzen]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

You can't really factually argue against a faith based religion. It just isn't possible, its neverending he-says she-says. We can rant and rave about biblical accuracy and miracles seen in person and the bullshit meter will come out from those opposing the religion. Ultimately it comes down to accepting it and having faith yourself or shutting up.

[Maluco]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

my apology was sincere. I'm not tired of debating, I enjoy it. I will discuss and answer any questions you have regarding Christianitly as best I can however I don't know much about any other religions. In all my ignorance, I hesitate to speak/debate on something I have not at least looked into somewhat. I respect you for what you choose to believe and/or create. Both of our faiths/beliefs share the fact that free-will belongs to all of us.

[JGood]

You can't really factually argue against a faith based religion. It just isn't possible, its neverending he-says she-says. We can rant and rave about biblical accuracy and miracles seen in person and the bullshit meter will come out from those opposing the religion. Ultimately it comes down to accepting it and having faith yourself or shutting up.

But you can argue FOR religion? So if I don't believe, I have to shut up, but if I do believe, all is good?

That response seriously pissed me off. It was stupid and thoughtless.

Maluco- I appreciate that response, and feel the same, I do not look down on you for believing what you believe, that would be ridiculous. I am simply against the church system as I believe it is harming our society today.

[Kruzen]

But you can argue FOR religion? So if I don't believe, I have to shut up, but if I do believe, all is good?

That response seriously pissed me off. It was stupid and thoughtless.

Maluco- I appreciate that response, and feel the same, I do not look down on you for believing what you believe, that would be ridiculous. I am simply against the church system as I believe it is harming our society today.

My point is there's no arguing to be had, in either direction. If a Christian like myself argues for the religion, based on biblical knowledge and future timelines, we argue outside of a realm of understanding that a non-Christian has. I can say 'hay hay end times!' or 'hay hay in the bible it says!' and you can say 'I dont believe in the bible so your argument is null and void.' Likewise, you can say 'Well XYZ never happened' when I say 'well yes it did and there for ABC'. Its an impasse and neither side will ever be 'right' until one side humbles themselves and admits fault.

This is why in the process of evangalism many times a Christian will 'dust his sandals off and go home' when trying to share Jesus with people, because ultimately God is the only one who can change the hardened hearts of man. We can 'plant the seed' but ultimately we're just messengers.

Sorry if my point didn't come across as clearly as intended.

[JGood]

My point is there's no arguing to be had, in either direction. If a Christian like myself argues for the religion, based on biblical knowledge and future timelines, we argue outside of a realm of understanding that a non-Christian has. I can say 'hay hay end times!' or 'hay hay in the bible it says!' and you can say 'I dont believe in the bible so your argument is null and void.' Likewise, you can say 'Well XYZ never happened' when I say 'well yes it did and there for ABC'. Its an impasse and neither side will ever be 'right' until one side humbles themselves and admits fault.



Sorry if my point didn't come across as clearly as intended.

Much better. I completely agree. However, one side should not cave and admit fault, as neither side will be proven correct. However, something should be done about the corruption in the church system so it doesn't hinder society any longer, as it's dragging everyone down.

[Maluco]

But you can argue FOR religion? So if I don't believe, I have to shut up, but if I do believe, all is good?

That response seriously pissed me off. It was stupid and thoughtless.

Maluco- I appreciate that response, and feel the same, I do not look down on you for believing what you believe, that would be ridiculous. I am simply against the church system as I believe it is harming our society today.

You aren't the only one, I too see ALOT wrong with the church system today, as does a whole lot of believers in many different faiths. That is a solid fact and a whole other discussion. I believe it is extremely important and essential to develop a personal relationship with God. Congregating with those in the same faith, going through the same things is something all humans pretty much enjoy in all aspects of life. However in order to do that, we sometimes have to put certain things aside, accept certain differences, not participate altogether, etc....

[schmidty]

But you can argue FOR religion? So if I don't believe, I have to shut up, but if I do believe, all is good?

That response seriously pissed me off. It was stupid and thoughtless.

Maluco- I appreciate that response, and feel the same, I do not look down on you for believing what you believe, that would be ridiculous. I am simply against the church system as I believe it is harming our society today.

Im not trying to knit pick or anything, but just get a better understanding of what your beliefs are.
You said you used to go to church but stopped because it was 'highway robbery'... did you ever believe in God? If so, what changed your mind? Was it the 'church system' itself or something more?
While I don't agree that the church system is harmful I do think that people (Christian and non) can corrupt religion and give the church a bad name.

[Kruzen]

Much better. I completely agree. However, one side should not cave and admit fault, as neither side will be proven correct. However, something should be done about the corruption in the church system so it doesn't hinder society any longer, as it's dragging everyone down.

Corruption of the church has always been a problem, because ultimately humans are corrupt. Issues with church corruption goes all the way back to dealing with the pharisees ~2100 years ago.

I don't see that changing anytime soon, and there's a growing number of 'Christians' who love God but hate the church, which is a shame. It should be a good thing and a place for Christian Fellowship but there are alot of problems that I have with the church as well.

Believe NOTHING you HEAR

and

HALF of what you SEE.




I hear God this God that but have I seen a God?

NO

What does a God look like incase I am to see one?


I do like the idea of living forever cradled in the love of an old man dont get me wrong no gay love about it yep stroke my hair.

man, you're off to a pretty bad start as a poster here. from the gaytube.com comment to not making any coherent sense in your posts, you should probably lurk for awhile before you get yourself banned or something.

[JGood]

Well to answer everyone questions (hopefully).....

I stopped going to church because I could not bring myself to believe in a God. I mean this: I think believing in Santa, and believing in God as described in the Bible and known in the Christian religion are on the same levels. The stories and theories are outrageous to me, and my brain will never be able to believe them. I thought this all along while going to church, but when I got old enough to comprehend the corruption, "fake" people, the way people use religion as a crutch, etc... I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I am fully 100% unsure of how the world was created, as is everyone else. I do not care, unlike most. Yeah, I'll question it from time to time, but you won't see me devoting my life to how it was created as religious folks will do. I don't care because due to the church system, I will never be able to have a believe in a religion, and with no religion it doesn't matter how the earth was created to me.

Trust me, I put in the effort. I grew up under the idea religion was fact, I went to church, I prayed. I looked at people who didn't go to church as "weird". I always thought something was wrong. Well, something was wrong. I didn't believe it. I realized this when I was old enough to make my own choices.

[JGood]

I love church but hate God :hitler:

Your fucking weird.