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[Jonathan M3]

Anyone wanna go ride bikes?

[1991 318is]

Main Entry: the·ism
Pronunciation: 'thE-"i-zm
Function: noun
: belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world.
Technically an atheist is one who does not believe in a God or Gods. As such it is not just someone who doesn't believe in the Judeo-Christian God. This takes in a significant portion of the planet's population who are religious, have moral codes, and a path to enlightenment or salvation. Buddhist, Taoist, Confucianist, and several sects of Hinduism do not believe in a "God". The main objection I have to the younger religions is their certainty of being the only way. Usually because it says so in their literature. With this as justification, they are evangelical at best and outright combative at their worst.
As to the those "creative" little Christians, they're giving Weird Al's Amish Paradise a run for the money

[JasonC]

Anyone wanna go ride bikes?

Sure, let me get my old school Schwinn Predator out of the shed.

[asubimmer]

I'm sure thats what everyone here wants, your praise

[ivo316]

I have to say, to me and I imagine to the majority of those in the Faith, there is absolutely nothing amusing about someone who does not have God in their life.

Of course, but the only emotion a faithless person could inspire in a good christian is sorrow for someone who is so lonely in life.

Life is all about relationships and comparisons, if there was no evil, then good would not be outstanding, even God himself in creation included the decieving snake to tempt Adam, remember that (at least to us christians) an atheist is also a creature of God.

There was a Cain and an Abel, There is a Jesus and a Satan, there is the baby zebra , but also the hyena, so please be more tolerant and acceppt ALL creatures of God in creation, no matter how unpleasing, obnoxious or disgusting they seem. (with this I do not want to say that atheists are unpleasing, obnoxious or disgusting, I meant the Hyena) :)

So Maluco read below, soemtimes we have to remind ourselves that the christian religion is not about hate at all.

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:27-31. NIV)

Have a nice day y'all. ;)

[bilson]

Well to answer everyone questions (hopefully).....

I stopped going to church because I could not bring myself to believe in a God. I mean this: I think believing in Santa, and believing in God as described in the Bible and known in the Christian religion are on the same levels. The stories and theories are outrageous to me, and my brain will never be able to believe them. I thought this all along while going to church, but when I got old enough to comprehend the corruption, "fake" people, the way people use religion as a crutch, etc... I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I am fully 100% unsure of how the world was created, as is everyone else. I do not care, unlike most. Yeah, I'll question it from time to time, but you won't see me devoting my life to how it was created as religious folks will do. I don't care because due to the church system, I will never be able to have a believe in a religion, and with no religion it doesn't matter how the earth was created to me.

Trust me, I put in the effort. I grew up under the idea religion was fact, I went to church, I prayed. I looked at people who didn't go to church as "weird". I always thought something was wrong. Well, something was wrong. I didn't believe it. I realized this when I was old enough to make my own choices.

To hopefully finally end your church-system-is-corrupt rant, like someone else said earlier, a church is made up of believers in God, humans. Humans are sinful, myself included of course, and corrupt. No human is perfect therefor, a church could very well be corrupted.

It sounds as though you were putting way to much faith in people at a church, instead of faith in God.

Santa Clause is made up to be what it is now for children - Jesus Christ is followed from all parts of the world, and the Bible is the best selling book ever.

[markseven]

wow, it's really great to hear your story and that you have turned your life around!!

A little over a year ago I met my fiancee and she introduced me to God and I have never been happier. Contrary to what equate975 said I think it is the first time I have felt true happiness, as opposed to 'fake' happiness in money, possessions, pride, and other worldly things.

Thanks, dude! Happy to hear that you are walking with the Lord as well!

good post. Glad to hear that your life got turned around like that.:grin:

Thank you! It was difficult but worth it :D

[NC325iC]

man they make christianity seem so neat, hip, and boss. because thats what was holding me back from going to church.

[JGood]

To hopefully finally end your church-system-is-corrupt rant, like someone else said earlier, a church is made up of believers in God, humans. Humans are sinful, myself included of course, and corrupt. No human is perfect therefor, a church could very well be corrupted.

It sounds as though you were putting way to much faith in people at a church, instead of faith in God.

Santa Clause is made up to be what it is now for children - Jesus Christ is followed from all parts of the world, and the Bible is the best selling book ever.

Well that sucks, I finally came to an agreement with them guys and you went and fucked it up. Your points are, well, pointless.

How can I put faith in something I don't and can't believe in? And if I don't believe in it, and do not respect or want to be associated with anyone in the church system, that doesn't help. You're missing the core of my argument. I tried and failed to believe in God. I tried for a long time. I'm a very open minded person and will admit when I'm wrong, and my opinion on various things changes often as I learn. However, as every day passes I realize more and more I do not believe there is a God as described in the Christian religion.

Jesus Christ is followed around the world. Great, allow me to jump on the bandwagon with my narrow mind. Wait, the best selling book? It must be correct then! Let me read and believe it because everyone else does.

I'm not going to end my "church is corrupt" rant because it's fucking true and it's harming our society. If let go it's going to get worse. People should be allowed to stand up for what they believe in. If your telling me to sit down and shut the fuck up it's not gonna happen. I'll spread my opinion just as you spread yours.

[LINUS]

Anyone wanna go ride bikes?

I like you, man. Good stuff.


JGood,

It's a bummer you didn't see your own experience with the church as a positive, or bring you to a place where you felt you got anything from the experience. I felt the same myself at a point, but I never shut the door on God, and in hindsight it was me letting my faith be interupted.
Any solid mind who can influence other people and who Satan can lead from God is a victory for sin.
I know I say stuff that others say "Wow, look how crazy Linus is for his faith" - and I don't mind in the least. I believe everything I say.

Guess I'm just trying to say that you sound like a solid guy, and that if you can't believe the stories in the Bible, etc. - that's cool. I give you respect for being honest and just saying so.
Not everyone can believe all the stories all at once, and that's just fine. I think all God wants is to have a relationship with each person, and just let it grow over time.
A lot of "old timers" forget that walking with God is a "long-term project" - you just have to say the course, and let God's words influence you. You may not hear Him clearly for years (I didn't), but down the line somewhere it works out. Now days, I hear plenty & a lot of the time what I say, or what I type is directed by Him.

Anyhow, I hope you didn't shut the door in general on God, you got a good, solid soul and it would be a shame to not have you in Heaven.

Faith ain't easy in the early days, but it really gets more natural & real over time.

[ping65810]

Churchs can be very corrupt. I am Roman Catholic, and quasi religious, but I well know that churchs are corrupt and have several hypocrtical points. All churchs are to some extent, its a fact of life. I was always raised to have faith, however, dont take anything too seriously that comes out of a preists mouth, and dont follow everything. Even my father's church, they wanted to kick him out because "he spent too much time with his gf" and since they werent married, he was a sinner! Funny, huh?!
Now I'm gay, so you can imagine all the fun stuff that raises when a religious discussion comes up. Yet I am still quasi religious, I just dont really go to church. But there are many religions that go from tolerant, to plain I am evil and should be dead due to being gay....... even amongst different religions there are differnt churchs that are particularly different or odd in how they conduct things. A good example is my church in town, its Roman Catholic church, however, its extremley liberal and open minded catholic church. By that I mean modern, whereas things are done very easy going and without the whole "guilt" that the catholic religion is known for. Then again, our preist wears Oakleys, and is the chaplain for the fire and police dpets, so I am used to seeing our priest wearing oakleys and a firefighters jacket!

[1991 318is]

Hmmmm.....

A little over a year ago I met my fiancee and she introduced me to God........

[DarkWing6]

How can I put faith in something I don't and can't believe in? And if I don't believe in it, and do not respect or want to be associated with anyone in the church system, that doesn't help. You're missing the core of my argument. I tried and failed to believe in God. I tried for a long time. I'm a very open minded person and will admit when I'm wrong, and my opinion on various things changes often as I learn. However, as every day passes I realize more and more I do not believe there is a God as described in the Christian religion.

Jesus Christ is followed around the world. Great, allow me to jump on the bandwagon with my narrow mind. Wait, the best selling book? It must be correct then! Let me read and believe it because everyone else does.

I'm not going to end my "church is corrupt" rant because it's fucking true and it's harming our society. If let go it's going to get worse. People should be allowed to stand up for what they believe in. If your telling me to sit down and shut the fuck up it's not gonna happen. I'll spread my opinion just as you spread yours.

Reading through your posts I really begin to see that your whole hatred, disbelief, etc in God/Christian religion is because of the "corrupt church". I agree with you. There is corruption in the churches becasue there are humans in the churches. I am not saying that all churches are corrupt, but it is definately out there and rampant. The point of this is that we are all sinful. You are not believing, worshiping, etc the church. It is about the belief in God. We are all sinful and messed up beyond belief, and the reason for the church is to be in fellowship with those that are on the same path, per se. We are together to help each other grow through things like discipleship, nuturing, and accountability. I would urge you to change what you are focusing on. If you are looking for perfection in something then look to God, who is the only perfect thing. We all do our best, but cannot attain that becasue we are inherrantly sinful.

[bilson]

Well that sucks, I finally came to an agreement with them guys and you went and fucked it up. Your points are, well, pointless.

How can I put faith in something I don't and can't believe in? And if I don't believe in it, and do not respect or want to be associated with anyone in the church system, that doesn't help. You're missing the core of my argument. I tried and failed to believe in God. I tried for a long time. I'm a very open minded person and will admit when I'm wrong, and my opinion on various things changes often as I learn. However, as every day passes I realize more and more I do not believe there is a God as described in the Christian religion.

Jesus Christ is followed around the world. Great, allow me to jump on the bandwagon with my narrow mind. Wait, the best selling book? It must be correct then! Let me read and believe it because everyone else does.

I'm not going to end my "church is corrupt" rant because it's fucking true and it's harming our society. If let go it's going to get worse. People should be allowed to stand up for what they believe in. If your telling me to sit down and shut the fuck up it's not gonna happen. I'll spread my opinion just as you spread yours.

Ok, I'm sorry. Certain churches may be corrupt. But I dare to say most churches aren't. At least not in my area.

I'm not at all trying to mock you, but go get a New King James version Bible, and just read it with an open mind. (which you may have already done.)

[DarkWing6]

JGood,

I guess a good question for you is, what would you put your faith in? You know that humans are not perfect (this includes yourself), so you wouldn't put 100% faith in them. There is something greater out there (it appears that you believe that, just by the way you talk). I don't know how to properly phrase the question I am trying to ask, but it would be something like "what do you think/believe is this greater being?" Still not really phrased right.