Finally Someone Speaks Up

[BenM]

I have to disagree here. No matter what was said about why we went and such WE DO NEED TO BE THERE TO FINISH ... Im not happy about it but we are there and need to finish it. If we arent going to close off our borders like I want, Iraq definitely should be one of the places we try to save. I have been there and seen it first hand what was done there was horrible and Saddam and his sons were truly living Evil, Im glad and proud America is part of the force that killed them.... It needs to be finished though... Rome was not built in a day and you cannot rebuild a split country as fast as most Americans are comfortable.

I know I might be sounding a little hypocrytical but Im not. I dont want to be in Iraq and I do feel America should close off our borders but if we arent going to do that, then we need to finish the job the right way just so the rest of the world can have it shoved back in their faces that we actually did what everyone else said we couldnt.

Oh no, we should definitely stick it out. The country needs to stay commited. However, it is sucking more and more money out of our economy, which could be used to help problems in the U.S.

[Il Duce]

Oh, and don't condescend someone you've never met before. It's makes you look like an asshole.

Have you met my friend INTERNET?

[trent]

Oh, and don't condescend someone you've never met before. It's makes you look like an asshole.

Oh no, do we have to break out the "INTERNETZ SIRIUS BUZINESZZ " pictures again?

You idiot. Internet is for shittalk and porn.

[Erick]

You idiot. Internet is for shittalk and porn.

Mainly porn. Shittalk is just like a side dish from the internet.

[uofom3]

this "God bless America" BS is pissing me off. And just because some people's views don't coincide w/ the Bushies or even anything to do w/ this Gov't, that doesn't make them a traitor. The revolution will come- or the end of the fucking world.

Believe it or not, it is in our hands. But the people who actually believe that the people in power aren't lying to us might as well me dead IMO. (IE they're worthless, not I want them to die) Anyone catch the 400th simpsons episode?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/21/the-simpsons-v-the-media/

BTW, I'm enjoying this discussion- and I aim to keep it mellow.

It's fun to live in school... isn't it? You should be become a professor at UO

[uofom3]

Trent wont have it.... you either think like him, or youre an Iraqi infiltrator that will blow up his E30 with C4. ;) I luv you Trent, youre just a little too hick for me hehe. jk man.

Mariano

It's not hick Mariano... and I can see how you would say that (even in jest). It's that certain things provide us with the ability to have this discussion, and I think people loose sight of that. I'm not saying that Kevin is in the wrong for having his viewpoints, but I am saying that calling someone hick for wanting to defend their country and it's symbol/values ect is a little bit strong?

[Eric]

I get to talk to army cat's straight off the plane where i'm at right now. They get there first beer in a year here. Yeah most of iraq is fucked up, but they say the media fucks the situation way worse than it really is.

this is pretty simple logic really there are 14 "counties" in iraq. 10 of them are working quite well. the 4 that suck are in an area that used to be controled by the minorities, and their fucking pissed that they don't have control any more. at the same time the majority is just learning to speak for themselves.

outside terrorist fuck the situation up even worse, adding to the news.

bad news sells
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it's a political year
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our boys get shit on

[trent]

Yeah most of iraq is fucked up, but they say the media fucks the situation way worse than it really is.

Thank you, direct real information from the boys. Modern liberal media is a piece of shit just like the asshole journalist this thread is about. His name isn't even worth mentioning. He is a large pile of steamy human shit.

[e30sd]

the notion of a "liberal media" is a fucking old fuckin wives tale. look at ownership: westinghouse, disney, GE, Newscorp, TW/AOL. sorry but it's more like rich old white guys in the boardrooms not flower children.

lol liberal media

"If you want to understand the way a system works, you look at its institutional structure. How it is organized, how it is controlled, how it is funded." - some poor smart white guy

"The Mainstream media really represent elite interests, and what the propaganda model tries to do is stipulate a set of institutional variables, reflecting this elite power, that very powerfully influence the media." - a semi rich but smart white guy

[uofom3]

the notion of a "liberal media" is a fucking old fuckin wives tale. look at ownership: westinghouse, disney, GE, Newscorp, TW/AOL. sorry but it's more like rich old white guys in the boardrooms not flower children.

lol liberal media

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle6435.htm

that's so inaccurate it's not even funny...

So by that logic you're saying that somone can't be old and white and liberal?

limousine liberal must not mean much to you....

[trent]

the notion of a "liberal media" is a fucking old fuckin wives tale. look at ownership: westinghouse, disney, GE, Newscorp, TW/AOL. sorry but it's more like rich old white guys in the boardrooms not flower children.

lol liberal media

"If you want to understand the way a system works, you look at its institutional structure. How it is organized, how it is controlled, how it is funded." - some poor smart white guy

"The Mainstream media really represent elite interests, and what the propaganda model tries to do is stipulate a set of institutional variables, reflecting this elite power, that very powerfully influence the media." - a semi rich but smart white guy

oh man. And you even work at Fox. There is definately a liberal media. Just because some of the giants are owned by "rich smart white guys" doesn't mean they see the dollar signs with all these liberal followers. They know the bottom line, and are just feeding the flames of the liberals in order to pad their wallets. They are not stupid.

[E30 Wagen]

oh man. And you even work at Fox. There is definately a liberal media. Just because some of the giants are owned by "rich smart white guys" doesn't mean they see the dollar signs with all these liberal followers. They know the bottom line, and are just feeding the flames of the liberals in order to pad their wallets. They are not stupid.

do you have any facts to back any of your statements up?

[e30sd]

oh man. And you even work at Fox. There is definately a liberal media. Just because some of the giants are owned by "rich smart white guys" doesn't mean they see the dollar signs with all these liberal followers. They know the bottom line, and are just feeding the flames of the liberals in order to pad their wallets. They are not stupid.

trust me dude, the cash cow is not in liberals, it's in so called conservatives. look at the numbers, fox trounces cnn and msnb-joke every may and november. not cause they're more accurate (lol google the fox-ap rewrite scandal), but cause they capitalize on this massive group of people that hear what they want to hear. that is where the money is.

[e30sd]

cant we just go back to crashing our cars into k-rails, making fun of chicken wire e30 boy and oogling over the next group buy? i have to listen to people who think they have a grasp on what's going ALL FUCKING DAY. blah, now i have to listen to you headless chickens argue the finer points of the republic? i ain't leavin, hopefully it'll pass like hanson or teletubbies.

[uofom3]

cant we just go back to crashing our cars into k-rails, making fun of chicken wire e30 boy and oogling over the next group buy? i have to listen to people who think they have a grasp on what's going ALL FUCKING DAY. blah, now i have to listen to you headless chickens argue the finer points of the republic? i ain't leavin, hopefully it'll pass like hanson or teletubbies.

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I don't see why we have to argue...