Animal Cruelty: Thoughts (Vick related)

[jflip2002]

Or if most of the shit wasnt almost 2 years old....

[Maluco]

This post would be more relevant if the title of the thread was "What is Dana White turning the UFC into?"

Or if most of the shit wasnt almost 2 years old....

actually, it's interesting to read through this thread again now. The new Vick thread reminded me of it and I had no idea it would have been two years ago. I should have let more people talk shit on the new thread before bumping this one...


EDIT: my question still remains unanswered in the other thread...

"The act aside, as many of you have already expressed different levels of sentiments, do you really feel a convicted felon should be allowed back into the NFL? Most all the rest of the convicted felons in this country will never attain that great of a position again. What message is sent with allowing a convicted felon to play again at this level?"

[jflip2002]

Its definitely interesting to read through, and see how people's opinions and feelings change, or remain the same. I just meant commenting on his statement that was so long ago was kind of pointless.

[Maluco]

Its definitely interesting to read through, and see how people's opinions and feelings change, or remain the same. I just meant commenting on his statement that was so long ago was kind of pointless.

I got that, was just making a general statement..

[Massive Lee]

The whole paradox on animal cruelty is that most people will cry baby when dogs or cats are mistreated, but they widely accept that animals are raised in confinement then butchered and eaten. Killing an animal for a purpose or another is still removing life from an intelligent being. Nop, I am not a vegetarian at all, and even admit I like a nice tartare or rare T-bone, but it sometimes gets me thinking...

[jflip2002]

I dont really know, Maluco. What makes an athlete different than any other person in an ordinary walk of life? Just because they have this god given rare ability, their faults and poor decisions should be ignored? It's a good question, and to be honest, Im not sure I know how I feel about it.

IF you just isolate this incident, I feel Vick did his time, and should be reinstated. I think the difference is though his crime was offensive, he didnt risk any humans. He doesnt pose a threat being on the field, or in the locker room. A felon in another form who has committed a violent crime, or stole over whatever the dollar amount is to be a felon, does pose a threat. Do I want a rapist or violent person working around women Id employ, or around me if I were a woman? Absolutely not. Would I want a dog killer working around me as a woman or even a man? Well, no... but more so because of moral reasons, than fear of being harmed.

For the record, I do not like Michael Vick, I do not respect Michael Vick, I have nothing positive to say about Michael Vick. That doesnt matter too much though. I feel he paid a hefty price for his stupid actions... The penalty paid was fitting, but steep none the less.

That's really the best I can describe my emotions and feelings on the situation.

[jflip2002]

The whole paradox on animal cruelty is that most people will cry baby when dogs or cats are mistreated, but they widely accept that animals are raised in confinement then butchered and eaten. Killing an animal for a purpose or another is still removing life from an intelligent being. Nop, I am not a vegetarian at all, and even admit I like a nice tartare or rare T-bone, but it sometimes gets me thinking...

Thats a good point. I think since we put a name and face on these animals (the vick dogs) we view it as such a repulsive crime. I think if we all owned cows as pets, or worshipped them like some religion (I believe its in India, whatever religion I do not know), we would not eat them. You see the poor little pigs at the fair for auction, you feel bad for those poor guys. They know whats going on... Since we own a pot belly pig, I dont eat pork. I can put a face behind that delicious carnitas burrito, so I dont partake in eating pork (VERY VERY RARELY do I give in).