If there was a draft would you go?

[speedhop]

I completely understand you feel you have an obligation to serve your country, much respect. I hope you also understand that you are merely a pawn in a war run by those of governmental status. The ones that would give the same answer I'm giving.

You do not live in a society where you are not allowed to speak out; where you are not allowed an education; where you are not allowed to move about the country as you wish; where you are not restricted to the job you have now with no hope of getting another one.

So now I must be indebted to my country because I am fortunate enough to not live in a dictatorship or communist run country? These are all good points...we don't live in a world run by a dictator, so when the government comes around and "ask's" ever so politely for you to join, you join without thinking and I'm looked down upon for delving further into reasoning behind it?

I think YOU are missing the point of the question...would you or would you not serve if you were drafted? You explicitly said, [/quote]Nor did I ever state that I support the draft - in fact, I pointed out that it is inappropriate right now.[/quote] proving that you don't support the draft, but you do support forcefully engaging in the protection of our country, which I completely agree with. However, judging by your arguments you disprove of me not supporting the draft, even though we agree with the same thing.

So, uhmm, we should all just stop working? I'm not sure I get your point.

What you clearly missed, is that every day I support my country. You choose to differentiate the means in which one supports, which shows a clear ignorance. I can only support my country by being a man and fighting in a war...while we're at it lets just whip out our cocks and measure.

BTW, the fact that I have a mortgage in no way impedes you from getting one - I can afford mine. If you are relying on a subprime loan to buy a house, you should put some more money away.

Once again we're agreeing with the same thing. Those who can afford the loans should get them...those who cannot should not. I merely pointed out that those in the past who could not afford them left the tax payers, you and I, to pick up the pieces. Have you not been looking at the market lately...it's taken quite a hit because no one is qualifying for a mortgage, ie no money is being circulated, ie even if I large sum stashed away my mortgage is still going to be through the roof. That is neither here nor there in this discussion, just a means to exemplify those who DO take advantage of the system that those before us fought hard to get.

[BeirBrennerE30]

My tax dollars go to fund this war, and the taxes i pay via my business fund this war. My taxes also go to supporting people in this country that dont feel like working. They also support people who cant afford higher education. They pay for going to the moon again(which i think is retarded). This is how i support the country. I pay for things that i dont agree with.

If our country was under attack I would serve reluctantly even though I think I am too old... but we are not. I would not serve in a war that is no where near necessary.

[lucky7]

ive recently seen pictures of buddies from highschool in the big sandbox over there. ill be completely honest. i am infinitely envious of them. i cant really explain any part of it. ive never been involved in anything in my life. no sports, no school events. hell, i am a college drop-out. i want nothing to do with anything 'organized', or whatever the correct term would be. but i almost feel jealous of these guys over there, for lack of a better word. about 3 or so years ago, i almost signed on the dotted line. i pussied out. to think, my 4 year tour would be on the home stretch, although that is completely beside the point. i turned 23 2 weeks ago, and i know its not too late. but i just dont have the balls. if i was drafted, it would make it that much easier. i would be proud to go.

[Ben Carufel]

Either you would go when your country calls, or you wouldn't.

The rest is just excuses and laziness.

So you're saying if you don't go when you're country calls, you're lazy and are making excuses...

In other words, you're on one side of the debate. Don't come into this thread and act all high and mighty...it doesn't "all boil down" to one question. It's a hugely complicated, personal matter. It's not "simple".

I'll tell you what it "all boils down to". It all boils down to one thing: This is a personal choice which we are allowed to make. It's one of the things that makes the United States of America a great place to be; personal freedom, within reason. Whatever a person's reason for wanting to go to war, or not wanting to go fight for his country, it's his (or her) reason and that's that.

[Ben Carufel]

Oh, and for what it's worth;

I feel that my talents better serve this country here on our home soil, not out shooting at the bad guys in another country. I'm educated, moderately successful, and have a good mind for business. There's no reason for me to be on the front lines firing a gun at the bad guys. In my opinion, it's similar to the difference between the enlisted and the officers; those with the motivation and the desire to be leaders can do so, those who want to go hang out with their buddies and blow stuff up...well, they get to choose to do that if they so desire.

[delatlanta1281]

Shit I forgot about Rob....
I would go.

[AlarmedBread]

I'd be in now if it weren't for a separated shoulder (3years and counting..). I was going to be an aeronautical engineer, e30's are nice, but an m20 is no jet. Bah.

[assoutE12]

In the words of Brother Ali " I ain't ridin for a president who's sending our kids to die when we didn't even elect him".

[Il Duce]

OP- You forgot the "I would never fight an un-justified war for a secretive government run by a president we didn't even elect." option.

[uofom3]

OP- You forgot the "I would never fight an un-justified war for a secretive government run by a president we didn't even elect." option.

lol

[Il Duce]

lol

fixed.

[uofom3]

Oh, and for what it's worth;

I feel that my talents better serve this country here on our home soil, not out shooting at the bad guys in another country. I'm educated, moderately successful, and have a good mind for business. There's no reason for me to be on the front lines firing a gun at the bad guys. In my opinion, it's similar to the difference between the enlisted and the officers; those with the motivation and the desire to be leaders can do so, those who want to go hang out with their buddies and blow stuff up...well, they get to choose to do that if they so desire.

I'm not going to get into this discussion with anyone as I think most people here would be desertes if they were called on, and there has already been enough whining about elections and other bullshit... but I will add this... do you really think that they are going to send "educated" people into a grunt level position? No. People can bitch and be pussies about the government and our military (which has allowed all of you the right to whine and bitch)... but the military is most certainly efficient. Having you be on the front lines in a massive "wave" of soldiers would not be an efficient allocation of resources. I'm not certain what your skills are or what they would have you do, but your talents and education would not be wasted in most cases.

For the record: I'd go... but I'd be scared shitless. Those are some brave men and women who are over there taking care of business. They deserve everyones respect, appreciation, support, and loyalty.

[uofom3]

fixed.

hehehehe... I'm bathed in first and second hand fine cigar smoke! Nice drive by!

[ivo316]

I don't live in the states, here we do get drafted if needed.

Last year we had a showdown with a neighboring country and I was first to volunteer, maybe if the war was in some faraway country I wouldn't go convinced but i would go anyway, i consider it a duty towards my country.

If the war is with a neigboring country, let's just say that if i don't do my best to keep the war out of my country it might get to me anyway, so...

Yep, i'd go, and scared, because brave guys are not fearless, they just check their fear, only psychos are fearless. ;)

[Massive Lee]

During WWII, the French resistants who were fighting to save their own country for the German invasion were called "terrorists" by the nazis. The US invaders are also calling "terrorists" those who are trying to protect their country.

General Petain was called a "collaborator" by the non-occupied France. he was with the German invader and was helping arrest Jews and sent them to death camps, along with slave workers to help build German arsenal. The same collaborational pattern is happening in Afghanistan and Irak with two governments put in place by the US office. Ahmed Karzai used to be working at Halliburton a few years ago and serves US interests pretty well. That's not just a coincidence that he currently is the Afghan president. This all shows the "legitimacy" of this war. Just private businesses using US governement resources (money and lives) to reach their private lucrative goals. Not to mention the fuel and natural gaz resources... Blood for oil. Not a good deal for Americans.

Going to war for serving your country. Why not.
Going to war for serving private business interests, certainly not.