Police harrasment.

[Ryan Stewart]

I agree with you that the kid had no reason to tell the officer anything.

However I believe you cannot refuse to provide ID to a police officer.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-5554.ZS.html

Idenfiying yourself and giving your ID are two different matters.

This isnt soviet russia. Its not a crime to not have your "papers" on you at all times, yet.

You have to state your name and address (if you have one). Outside of that you are not required to show ID. In fact, if you arent driving you arent required to HAVE ID.

And there is a flaw in the "Kid is in a commuter lot at night, he must be up to something" ethics. It doesnt quite sum up when applying universality. If you are going into an inner city gas station, are black, and its late at night should the cop detain you under the suspicion you are robbing the place? Its too subjective. In our legal system it doesnt, and shouldnt, hold up. Many legit cases are lost because of this. Unless they arrest you under reasonable suspicion of doing (or doing) an illegal act everything they do is illegal.

And there should be a backlash, we should go too far in the other direction now. Start canning cops that come even close to this bullshit. ITs how the system works. Someone breaks a rule, you NAIL everyone else who even bends it, and then you can relax knowing that everyone will be in line because the consequences are dear.

We should publicly lynch this asshole and Nifong. That would prevent future misshaps.

[Dave]

a. The kid baited the cop.

b. In my opinion, the cop had probable cause to stop. Late night, transit lot, cop stated they have had a rash of problems there, sounds legit to me.

c. blunt has a new senior buddy in pinepig.

d. Cop was a complete d-bag and an embarrassment to good cops everywhere.

e. I hate threads like this.

I tend to agree, but I think you need a little more than what you have listed on "b" as probable cause. It gets close, but I think you need some action on the part of the "suspect" that the from which the cop can state a reasonably articulable basis for suspicion of possible criminal activity.

If I am standing on the corner at crackhead central at 3am, that is not enough. But if he sees me interacting with people in such a way to suggest possible drug activity - Bingo! you have probable cause.

[Ryan Stewart]

I tend to agree, but I think you need a little more than what you have listed on "b" as probable cause. It gets close, but I think you need some action on the part of the "suspect" that the from which the cop can state a reasonably articulable basis for suspicion of possible criminal activity.

If I am standing on the corner at crackhead central at 3am, that is not enough. But if he sees me interacting with people in such a way to suggest possible drug activity - Bingo! you have probable cause.

What? You and I always meet there at 3am to compare our entire month paychecks in small denomination cash!

[Jscotty]

I think that we can all agree that the kid is not guilty of anything other than being a smart-ass. But the lesson to be learned here is to not be a smart-ass if you don't want to be hassled by a cop.

There is a difference between what is legal and what is wise.

[mrsuburban]

I think the police should be continously recorded and should be punished for being a prick at any time even if the person is a prick. Just my 2 cents.

Heres a conversation I had when getting a seat belt ticket.

cop: Liscense, registration, insurance
Mrsuburban: handing liscense and continuing to scuffle through glove box.
Mrsuburban: gets out of truck and to look behind seat.
cop: Is that a purse in there! (Saying in such a tone that I was a thief)
Mrsuburban: No its a camera bag, see look theres a camera in it.
cop: Finds out I have a clean record and dont steal purses even though I drive a big black ford truck.

[Pinepig]

Hopefully to kill this topic deader than a motherfucker.

I like this tape of a police officer better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVaOSE4h4wM

[Rigmaster]

I think that we can all agree that the kid is not guilty of anything other than being a smart-ass. But the lesson to be learned here is to not be a smart-ass if you don't want to be hassled by a cop.

There is a difference between what is legal and what is wise.

Please stop with these sensible posts Scotty- you're making it hard for me to hate you.........almost.


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[Jscotty]

Please stop with these sensible posts Scotty- you're making it hard for me to hate you.........almost.;)

Well everyone loves JScotty! You can't hate me or be mad at me for long. Eventually I will make you laugh.

I think the police should be continously recorded and should be punished for being a prick at any time even if the person is a prick. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, I wish I could have caught this young 20-something prick cop who pulled me over for a blown headlight while I was in Winchester VA. I had my license and registration and money in my laptop bag which was all in the back of the truck when he pulled me over. I told him where he could find everything (because he wouldn't let me get out) and he said, "You have an awful lot of money here. What is this for?" After I explained to him that I have to travel with a substantial amount of cash because tow truck drivers don't take American Express, he said, "well I am going to let you keep this money, however, I have your information and I better not find anyone out here with a large supply of drugs or I am going to send the troops after you! Now you run along and be good."

[blunttech]

Well everyone loves JScotty! You can't hate me or be mad at me for long. Eventually I will make you laugh.



Yeah, I wish I could have caught this young 20-something prick cop who pulled me over for a blown headlight while I was in Winchester VA. I had my license and registration and money in my laptop bag which was all in the back of the truck when he pulled me over. I told him where he could find everything (because he wouldn't let me get out) and he said, "You have an awful lot of money here. What is this for?" After I explained to him that I have to travel with a substantial amount of cash because tow truck drivers don't take American Express, he said, "well I am going to let you keep this money, however, I have your information and I better not find anyone out here with a large supply of drugs or I am going to send the troops after you! Now you run along and be good."

is that the cop who got you evicted,fired from your job and thrown out of school?? or was that a different bullshit story>?

[Jscotty]

That's a different story, but thanks for keeping up with my stories. I really didn't think anyone was paying attention..

[delatlanta1281]

1. After watching the news reel, that kid was baiting. Small town, trouble with police prior, and his general attitude towards the reporter's question.

2. The officer has every right to be suspicious of someone parking in a commuter lot at 2am. He stated why he was suspicious and that should be enough reason to investigate.

3. The officer was out of line. He should be reprimanded for his attitude and the way he handled the situation.

4. He was baited.

Yeah, I wish I could have caught this young 20-something prick cop who pulled me over for a blown headlight while I was in Winchester VA. I had my license and registration and money in my laptop bag which was all in the back of the truck when he pulled me over. I told him where he could find everything (because he wouldn't let me get out) and he said, "You have an awful lot of money here. What is this for?" After I explained to him that I have to travel with a substantial amount of cash because tow truck drivers don't take American Express, he said, "well I am going to let you keep this money, however, I have your information and I better not find anyone out here with a large supply of drugs or I am going to send the troops after you! Now you run along and be good."

What's wrong with the officer's line of questioning here? You had a shit ton of money in a laptop bag. I would want to know why as well.
Fix you headlight stupid.

And there is a flaw in the "Kid is in a commuter lot at night, he must be up to something" ethics. It doesnt quite sum up when applying universality. If you are going into an inner city gas station, are black, and its late at night should the cop detain you under the suspicion you are robbing the place? Its too subjective. In our legal system it doesnt, and shouldnt, hold up. Many legit cases are lost because of this. Unless they arrest you under reasonable suspicion of doing (or doing) an illegal act everything they do is illegal.

Ryan, there was no arrest. Just an investigation at 2am in a commuter lot that cars have been stolen from prior.

[Jscotty]

[quote=delatlanta1281;834402]What's wrong with the officer's line of questioning here? You had a shit ton of money in a laptop bag. I would want to know why as well.
Fix you headlight stupid.

It wasn't his line of questioning so much as it was his attitude when he wasn't buying my answer. Either this was his nice way of letting me off the hook or he forgot to give me the ticket. Through the verbal exchange he never even went back to his car to check my credentials.

[cunninglinguist]

We now live in a fascist state. Please accept it. Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Bush rules!!

[kommissar]

The police officer in this video was recently fired because of it.

Here is the link to the news story: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...TAM&SECTION=US

I quote it below for your convenience:

Sep 21, 9:22 AM EDT

Video Leads to Firing of Mo. Officer

ST. GEORGE, Mo. (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.

Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.

Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.

Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of Sept. 7.

In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity.

"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."

Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.

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About that copyright line... I don't know if it's legal for me to copy paste it the article here. If not the mods can just remove the article from my post.

[Jscotty]

Come on man.. you really think that the AP is going after a group of bimmerheads over copyright infringement? I am sure that the AP gets infringed upon by much larger organizations on a regular basis.

But I agree with the cop getting canned over the fact that he did not cover himself and tape the traffic stop. If I was his supervisor I would have given him the benefit of the doubt with a minimal punishment because I would have had something credible enough to defend him and his position.