My school is r3v

[Turf1600]

I didn't say the average pay for engineers - just people with degrees. This includes philosophy, underwater basketweaving and engrish.

[Turf1600]

WTF is wrong with you guys? You get so defensive when I say that people without degrees have the capability to make more money than you.

[aaron.j]

"As for dealers, your best bet is to make lots of money with them. Independent shops can't pay their mechanics the same. I suggest you take your "apprentice time" or whatever they call it with a independent shop so you can see exactly how that works."


The average dealer in the south east pays 18-24 hr depending on skill level/experience/training. The dealers want to hire "STEP kids" as they have training which would cost the dealer 50k to send some kid off the street vs. 10k to purchase a "STEP kid". They also know they have you by the balls on what they can offer you to start because you have to choose a dealer within 1-2 months or pay back BMW NA 10k for you STEP training. Most of the master techs I know who are the "gods of the shops" in many of the dealers across the state that i know dont make more than 50-65k a year. and they are all 30+ with years of experience. yes its possible to make 100k a year at a dealer but most of the time you have to be crooked to do so. talk to someone who knows what the fuck they are talking about before deciding to quit college. just because you know e30s inside and out and enjoy working on them does not mean you will enjoy working at a dealer. it is full of kiss asses and whiners. all of the "gravy" work is usually given to the guys that have been there forever. anyways fuck it it sucks.

[Bimmerista]

If you come to texas, let me know. There are some great shops around here, including Teaguer's.

Just don't be in that around 2am, you'll get shot

[whiltebeitel]

"As for dealers, your best bet is to make lots of money with them. Independent shops can't pay their mechanics the same. I suggest you take your "apprentice time" or whatever they call it with a independent shop so you can see exactly how that works."


The average dealer in the south east pays 18-24 hr depending on skill level/experience/training. The dealers want to hire "STEP kids" as they have training which would cost the dealer 50k to send some kid off the street vs. 10k to purchase a "STEP kid". They also know they have you by the balls on what they can offer you to start because you have to choose a dealer within 1-2 months or pay back BMW NA 10k for you STEP training. Most of the master techs I know who are the "gods of the shops" in many of the dealers across the state that i know dont make more than 50-65k a year. and they are all 30+ with years of experience. yes its possible to make 100k a year at a dealer but most of the time you have to be crooked to do so. talk to someone who knows what the fuck they are talking about before deciding to quit college. just because you know e30s inside and out and enjoy working on them does not mean you will enjoy working at a dealer. it is full of kiss asses and whiners. all of the "gravy" work is usually given to the guys that have been there forever. anyways fuck it it sucks.

Move up to parts manager and life gets better.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Cliffnotes:

You couldn't hack it at a university, went to a tech school, found a career field you enjoy and excel in. Congratulations, would you like a cookie?

As for this:


Wow.


If you want to be a mechanic. Otherwise... no.

Wow. Quite possibly the most ignorant post on r3v Ive read in a while. Even on R3V. You almost inspired me to ban you outright without even consulting the other mods. Life isnt black and white, and to see someone actually be happy with what they found they were meant to do isnt something to shit on. Beats being in a fucking cubicle in the rat race. Those peoplee to me are the ones (if anyone) to talk shit about. Miserable people who didnt have the balls to follow their dreams. I can identify with this guy because I took a bunch of college but didnt like it. It wasnt for me. University life isnt for everyone. I suppose youd like to think of people all being the same with the same standards. Now Im going to a very good recording school and am having LOTS of fun doing it. First time Ive gotten an A or a B since middle school. Grade average is 89% which is unheard of for me. And if money is how you measure success, then its a very good field to get into. Im just happy I finally found something (it was right under my nose), that I will enjoy going to work for. Does the fact that I beat a 1/4 ounce a day habit of dope, and was in a gang for more than a decade and got out also qualify me as a loser, or a strong motherfucker thats been through more than most of you guys ever will in their lifetime? Take some Physiological Psychology, Sociology, and general Psychology classes before you try spout your garbage about those who dont walk the well-well-beaten path to mediocrity. Not everyone is meant for tedious, repetitive, soul draining work the rest of their lives.

Mariano

[Ryan Stewart]

Move up to parts manager and life gets better.

Yeah, because all 20 Step kids are going to be promoted to parts managers when the next class of step kids comes out. And of course you need the skills you learn at STEP to purchase, inventory, and sell a wholesale good.

[LINUS]

If you want to say you do better in life without a degree, more power to you.

I recently screwed my back up to the point where I really don't plan to return to blue collar of any sort, and once past my BA I think I'll stick around long enough for a Masters.

It's a lot like cubic displacement in a motor - there's rarely an exception to it in order to have a sucessful career - sure there are exceptions, but really it's just so much easier to start with a 454 motor or a solid degree.

[quikveedb2]

I quit regular school

I don't have to take any bullshit classes like history or math

Also, everyone swears a lot which is fun, teacher included.

Women are objects, foul language, talk about some fucked up shit. And yes, we had a good 10 min conversation about 2 girls 1 cup.

So its pretty awesome that I am the favorite.

Tech schools FTW, real 4 years schools FTL.

so you're learning:
1. that history, how we got to where we are today, is not important.
2. real people don't need math to pay bills, balance checkbooks, buy homes, etc.
3. cursing & sexual deviancy, and sexism is socially acceptable.
4. and favoritism is ok.

wow, sounds like a real hotbed of higher education, have fun with your future role as a manual laborer.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/25/pf/college/census_degree/?postversion=2006102606

food for though.

[Turf1600]

You guys are degree snobs. If you read carefully - you'll note that he has already taken many math classes. Also, if you didn't learn how to balance a check book in middle school you are a loser. Also, if you didnt get a solid amount of history in highschool you didn't pay enough attention.

I didn't want to use myself as an example - at risk of looking like I'm boasting - but I feel the need to make a point. I'm 22 - my wife is 21. Combined we make 4-5x the average income for an american family of 4. I own my own brand new house - have no debt other than my mortgage - and can pretty much buy whatever I want. My IRA has been maxed out for the past 3 years - my credit score is creeping up on 800 - and I do not have a degree. If I stayed on this path I could retire early. I am however in the process of getting my degree. It's not hard to have an easy life without a degree. At the age of 22 I'm living better than my parents ever have. Hard work is the answer.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I didn't want to use myself as an example - at risk of looking like I'm boasting

Fuck that shit. BOAST! Everyone else is. Im not boasting, Im just using myself as an exception to the all knowing rule.


Mariano

[Turf1600]

Fuck that shit. BOAST! Everyone else is. Im not boasting, Im just using myself as an exception to the all knowing rule.


Mariano

It's not in my character to boast - but people have the idea that you go nowhere without a degree. I've got my own office and I'm getting paid while posting on r3v. Doesn't get any better than this.

[LINUS]

I'm far from a degree snob - I think every person has a calling in life, and they should persue it.

That said, degrees open more doors & provide an opportunity that you may not get if you have a GED.

If I have kids, they won't have jobs in high school - I'll make it real clear that school is their job & that if they can map out a decent path for their post-HS life, then they aren't bound to head off for college. If not, at least going to community college buys you 2 years to decide what you want after that. If they still don't know, at least a Bachelors in a generic field will give them a small leg up on whoever else might apply for the job they want, or give them a broad base of knowledge to draw on if the decide to pursue some unknown path.

Degrees open doors - that's a truth, not snobbery.

Besides, you never hear anyone talk about how they wasted too many years in school.

[aaron.j]

Yeah, because all 20 Step kids are going to be promoted to parts managers when the next class of step kids comes out. And of course you need the skills you learn at STEP to purchase, inventory, and sell a wholesale good.

and here in the goold ole' south you have to be related to somebody to go anywhere or get anything. im sure its not much different anywhere else. or at least it wasnt at the dealer in hawaii

[Farbin Kaiber]

GED + Automotive hobby (17years) + Photographic Memory + Sales Skills = Service Manager (100k+/yr.)


Dropped out at 17, Service Advisor at 17, Community College for EMT-1a, It's all on the job skills, but school is what my three other sibilings did, and that's great for them, It just was not my path.